Throwing horns should not be equated with “G” and “What up bitch.” That is all. 
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Oh, not in the least. <evil grin>
And once again, I’m not really bitching about people wanting to race, I was the same way back during the hormone induced fog known as puberty. I still use the gas pedal more than necessary on occasion. It’s the wannabes driving the cheesy crap cars who actually think they’re king shit of fuck mountain that get on my nerves. Because I’m old enough now that I’d rather not race every car I see, but the little fucksticks are so annoying I feel bad letting them blow by me.
My cousin in law was telling me about this one time. He is in his 30s yet can still act like a teenager. Thus, he has 1998 Ford Taurus all black with black rims and white decals to give the impression of an undercover cop car. He also has the strobes but that is something else entirely. Anyways, he messed with the car’s performance and not just the outside. Plus, he has been racing for a long time.
One day some kids tried to race him on the highway and he definitely blew their doors off, figurativly speaking. He didn’t even use max speed, just kept toying with them. Accelerate, coast, accelerate, coast… untill they were a few hundred yards behind.
It could of been a LOT worse for these teenagers.
Strictly speaking, a Mustang is not a “muscle car.” It’s a sports car. A Dodge Coronet with a Hemi would be a muscle car. Muscle cars are normal-looking family cars with giant-ass engines plopped into them to make them run like stink. A muscle car would be something that, back in the 60s, you convinced your Mom to buy because she wanted a nice sedan or coupe, and the big engine package was only a thousand dollars more. 
And no, the Civic Type R was never sold in the US. Neither was the NSX-R. But Integra Type Rs are not slow, and were sold here.
So, when do we get to talk about Mustang owners thinking their car is super-fast just because it has a V8 in it? Do we get to bash them for looking down on four-bangers with actual performance modifications? I know guys who run 10-sec 1/4s (at altitude) in Honda Civics, but Mustang owners tend to think their car is the fastest thing on four wheels. Their reputation for assholishness is right up there with Supra owners.
I am at a loss to understand what you thought I was implying. The message of my post was simply that a four cylinder with an, at best, gently powered, low end motor can out accellerate one of these poorly modified, and often poorly driven, noisy rice cars. One does not need the power of a mustang to do so.
I pulled up to a stoplight a few weeks ago and a civic with a giant spoiler (this thing was bigger than the car) bolted to the trunk (like this only about three feet taller)
He started revving his engine and rolled his super dark tinted windows down to look at me and try to get me to race him. I laughed and flipped him off. He took off, fishtailing and squealing his tires.
This is what I drive. . What the everloving fuck was he thinking?
Hondas are very tough cars to tune. Honda makes the best small capacity N/A engines in the world. They are so well made, that any attempt to tune them will probably end in disaster. People mess around with so called “performance” cold air intakes, mufflers, cams or ECUs and 95% of the time they will make the car slower than before. It’s pathetic.
There’s just a handful of good Honda tuners. Toda Racing is one of them. A Toda Racing Civic can beat the ass of a Mustang with one buttcheeck tied behind its back 
My apologies for any misunderstanding. I wasn’t implying anything, especially towards yourself. I was simply commenting on the overall situation of being ‘revved at’.
I was just tossing my two cents in at a particular situation (which happened to actually occur). I think you read too deeply into my post. No worries, though. . .
Tripler
Dang. Now I’m two cents short of a dollar–but what else is new?
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An elephant and a mouse were walking through the jungle, when all of a sudden, the elephant fell into a hole. It was very deep and steep-sided and the elephant couldn’t pull himself out. So the mouse said he’d hail the first car that came along. After a while a shining new Porsche came roaring through. The mouse hailed it, they got a rope, dropped it down the hole and the Porsche towed the elephant out. The elephant thanked the Porsche driver who went on his way.
Shortly, thereafter the mouse fell into a hole, and he couldn’t climb out. So the elephant dropped his dick down the hole and the mouse climbed up it, and they continued down the road.
The moral of the story is: If you’ve got a big enough dick, you don’t need a Porsche.
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A modified Civic vs a stock Stang? Big Fahreekin’ deal. I have one word for you son Steeda
Oh IMHO an older mustang still looks cool. An older Civic looks like a, well, an older Civic headed for the scrap heap.
I did NOT know that. Soooo, does that mean that my 69 Riviera with the 430 and marine application 4b carb is a muscle car?
It’s also kinda more “smallish” than most sedans, so not so heavy. (keeping fingers crossed that her old classic is actually a “bitchin” muscle car :D)
I had a “muscle car” calendar for awhile - none of the cars in there were familly cars with big-block V8s in them - they were all sporty-looking cars. My understanding of a muscle car has always been a smallish American car with an engine waaaaay too big for it. As opposed to European sports cars which were all about tight handling and above-average horsepower, American muscle cars were about raw, burn-the-crap-our-of-your-tires drag-racing power.
So, in that context, I would still consider the Mustang (the older ones, up until early 90’s) a muscle car. I had the '92 straight up LX model - 4 cylinders. If you opened up the insanely long hood (I found it was faster to walk around the back or the car), there was 6 to 8 inches of clearance around the engine. This was because you could get the 5.0 litre, 8 cylinder engine in the exact same body.
My 2.3 litre engine got me in plenty of trouble - there were few cars that could beat me off the line. I cannot even imagine what that little tiny car could do with twice the engine. Muscle car? Yeah, I think so.
I miss my Mustang. Must. Buy. Civic. Hatchback. Stay out of touble. Aaaagh!
This thing?
http://www.carlospomares.com/69riviera.htm
Yeah, that’s pretty much the definition of a muscle car. How you doin’ Canvas Shoes?
Necros, do you agree?
One of the funniest damn things I’ve ever seen. My dad, in his sixties, driving a '65 Pontiac Strato Chief. Huge, old (This was late 70’s) and slow. He’s at a set of lights and gets revved by a Camero. Dad just smiles. The Pontiac, for some reason, went like stink off the line, but could get beat by a go-cart after half a block or so. Naturally, the light changes and Dad boots it. Pontiac go zoom, Camero go…nowhere!
Stalled in the middle of 8th Street!
It was priceless…
No kidding. Back when I used to street race, I smoked brand new “type R” cars all the time with my shitty '85 MR2 and '95 Saturn SC2.
Yeah, but my "is much better lookin (or will be once restoration is done). She’s silver with a black vinyl top.
Alas, she’s still in the restoration phase. My sister and I rebuilt the engine, and she’s got her in the shop having the transmission looked over and spruced up. I’m hoping she’s ready to go once I get back home. It’s been way too long.
Oh, I don’t know about that. Back in the day…the day when I was drivin’ a '68 Firebird, 400 c.i.d., 350 hp, and going 0-60 in 4.6 seconds, that is…I seem to recall SS396s, 4-4-2s, GTOs, Magnum 440s, etc. being referred to as muscle cars. Weren’t muscle cars really just about any mid-sized car given the hot-rod treatment?
Well I know my first car was a ‘muscle car’ Twas a 69 Cougar with a 351C, 4bolt main, 9in rear end, an edelbrock mani, and holley 650 dp.
It dripped rust, but there wasn’t anything off the Honda showroom floor that could touch it, especially in the top end. I was running hi 12 1/4’s, and could peg the speedo with 1/4 of a pedal left. Sadly, she was struck broadside while she sat helplessly in the driveway by a drunk, and totalled. Still miss that car.
There’s nothin’ like American speed. Nothin’ in the world.
I had a 1996 Saturn SC2 and now have a 2003 Satun SC2, automatics for chicago commuting… Both of those accelerate well and go as fast as I care to drive on public streets and highways. Four cylinder and decent gas mileage don’t always mean a putt putt engine.
Tell me, does that silly mod that makes the ricers sound like a bumble bee do anything but make noise?
Dog80, you have some growing up to do when it comes to powerplants in cars.
First and foremost, decals and bug-fart mufflers don’t make a car cool, fast, nor powerful. They show that some asshat thinks that spending 50 bucks will make their car bad-ass. While spending the majority of the crack profits on a sound system that makes others want to shoot the driver.
Some background. I’ve owned a '68 GTO with a 440 that would smoke the tires if I stomped on the gas doing 60 m.p.h. (Insurance quickly convinced me to sell it) I then bought a '79 Z28 with a 400 engine. (Wisconsin winter proved posi-traction wasn’t the same as having control of a car) :smack:
These days, I’ve become pedestrian. I own a station wagon. It’s comfortable, lots of room to haul shit without worrying about weather like a pickup driver does, and it has a great sound system.
Point is, the Civic Type-R has 200 h.p? Wow, guess my war wagon is as bad as your cite.
Go down about halfway to: Powertrain Options and Availability.
:wally