Tell me about applying for an OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) card

So it seems like Tom Scud might be eligible for an OCI card. His mother was born in India in 1940 (her parents were missionaries there) and didn’t live permanently in the U.S. until she moved to attend college. Nobody in the family has ever lived in Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc.

It seems like she would have been eligible for citizenship under the 1950 Indian Constitution, which would mean her children, grandchildren, and (as yet nonexistent) great-grandchildren would be eligible for OCI cards. Right?

Has anyone here gone through the application process? As a practical matter, what kind of documentation would the Indian Government want to see regarding her birth/residence in India? I have heard anecdotal stories from friends that anyone who doesn’t “look Indian” might have a hard time actually getting a card issued, including one co-worker whose wife’s grandfather had literally won an Olympic medal for India and has a statue in New Delhi, but when his wife applied for a card for her son from her first marriage (he physically took after his non-Indian dad), the consular officials basically laughed him out of the room until she escalated the issue. And I can definitely see how the descendants of Western missionaries, no matter how non-religious they are now, might be a sensitive subject.

Any practical experience would be appreciated!

Yes. That’s one part of eligibility.

Yes. Wife and I did that a few years back.

Documentation needed is given in the link provided by you :

1. Evidence of self or parents or grandparents or great grandparents-

    1. Being a citizen of India at the time of, or at any time after the commencement of the Constitution i.e. 26.01.1950; or*
    1. Being eligible to become a citizen of India at the time of commencement of the Constitution i.e. 26.01.1950; or*
    1. Belonging to a territory that became part of India after 15th August, 1947. These could be:*
    1. Copy of the Indian Passport; or*
    1. Copy of the Domicile Certificate issued by the Competent Authority; or*
    1. Copy of Nativity Certificate from the competent authority; or*
    1. OCI Card/ PIO card of parents/ spouse along with the base papers/ documents upon which the OCI/PIO card was issued; or*
    1. Any other proof substantiating the request. Usually applicants are able to submit a certificate of residence or place of birth of self/parents/grandparents from First Class Magistrate/District Magistrate (DM) of the concerned place*

Please explain what this means !! Is this just an underhanded way of saying “white” ?

Rest of your post has a bunch of hearsay. I’ve had many friends get their OCI, its a straightforward process.

Yes, I saw the list of required documents. However, my husband’s family is full of situations that don’t fit standard lists. They are all U.S. citizens by birth overseas to U.S. citizen parents, on one side of the family going back 200 years, and on the other side also going back several generations. None has ever been a citizen of India (or any country besides the U.S., as far as we know, at least since they migrated to the U.S. from England, Scotland, etc. between the 18th/early 19th centuries). As far as birth documentation:

  • His mother, born in India in 1940, has a U.S. Consular Report of Birth Abroad, a hospital birth certificate of sorts (it’s basically just a handwritten note on hospital letterhead with her name and her parents’ names), and a baptismal certificate. Of course India didn’t consistently have its own government registration of births until the 1970s, so that’s not terribly unusual for someone born in the time and place where she was born. She basically lived in India from when she was born until she moved to the U.S. for college, and if needed we don’t think it would be a problem to get school records from India, etc.

  • He was born in Lebanon in the 1970s, and has a U.S. Consular Report of Birth Abroad, a hospital birth certificate, and a baptismal certificate. Lebanon did have civil birth registration, but his parents never registered his birth with the Lebanese government. Further inquiry revealed that they didn’t realize it was something they needed to do, and they left Lebanon for another posting when he was an infant, anyway. Could he go back now and register his birth with the Lebanese authorities? Maybe, but it sounds like a giant PITA under the best of circumstances, and if you’ve read any Lebanese news lately, these are not the best of circumstances, especially for something that is normally done in person and a fair bit less than 50 years after the fact.

The family history in India on his father’s side goes back 200 years, but for somewhat obvious reasons it’s going to be pretty difficult, if not impossible, to come up with those original birth documents.

Here’s a somewhat more detailed list from the third-party contractor who processes the documentation, which specifically says that hospital birth certificates are not accepted. The relevant chunk of the Indian Constitution regarding who was eligible to apply for Indian citizenship at the time the Constitution took effect:

At the commencement of this Constitution, every person who has his domicile in the territory of India and —

  1. who was born in the territory of India; or
  2. either of whose parents was born in the territory of India; or
  3. who has been ordinarily resident in the territory of India for not less than five years immediately preceding such commencement,

shall be a citizen of India.

So does that mean that my husband somehow needs to send off his possibly irreplaceable birth documentation to a country experiencing civil unrest to be apostilled there in the embassy of a third country, because Lebanon doesn’t belong to the Hague Convention on apostilles? Forgive us if we would like to confirm the specifics before we make a possibly unfixable mistake.

And as far as people experiencing difficulties in the application process, yes, I am saying “white.” I mentioned personal knowledge of a white person who did indeed qualify as a PIO who was rejected on initial application. That’s hardly hearsay. We’ll see how my high school friend (whose parents were born and raised in India - she is the first generation born in the U.S.) does when she applies for her daughter, who physically takes after her (non-Indian, American, so white he glows in the dark) father.

I would be quite glad to find out that we are overthinking the whole thing, and that we just need to get the Consular Reports of Birth Abroad apostilled at the State Department - at least if those get lost, it would be a pain, but they could be replaced. All the same, there’s an email in to the Indian Foreign Ministry to confirm exactly what they want, and from whom.

The OCI process is very simple and yours is a very standard case.

Step 1. Establish yourself, parent or grandparent was eligible for Indian citizenship.

In your case, mother was eligible for Indian citizenship, so provide proof of her birth in India. Its given right there in the link you posted :

. Any other proof substantiating the request. Usually applicants are able to submit a certificate of residence or place of birth of self/parents/grandparents from First Class Magistrate/District Magistrate (DM) of the concerned place

The DM of the place of birth should be able to attest the birth certificate or write a letter to the same effect.

Step 2 - Establish that mother and son are indeed mother & son

Current US Passport or birth certificate that establishes the same.

As to your white people getting rejected for PIO/OCI, it happens with non-whites too.

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We finally received the apostilled Consular Reports of Birth Abroad for my husband and mother-in-law, so now we can take a stab at the online OCI application. But re-reading the chunk above, I am left wondering - is my mother-in-law a citizen of India who just never got a piece of paper to prove it? The Constitution of India says that people who voluntarily acquire another citizenship lose their Indian citizenship. She was certainly born in India and domiciled there at the time the Constitution took effect, and she certainly didn’t acquire U.S. citizenship voluntarily - her parents did it for her when she was an infant. Unless some other provision of law took away her Indian citizenship?

Anyway, wish us luck dealing with the OCI application website.

I am not a lawyer and please consult a lawyer. From what I know, :
“The legal provision under section 8 of the Citizenship Act, 1955 states that upon renunciation, when a person is no longer a citizen of India, their minor children will also not be citizens of India. Their
children can, however, within a year of attaining adult age, choose Indian citizenship.” – Renunciation of Indian Citizenship: Requirements & Fees - SBNRI

The OCI application is very cumbersome; wishing you luck !

I’m not a lawyer, but I do U.S. immigration work for a living (I’m a paralegal), so I know a thing or two about cumbersome applications and intractable bureaucracies :slight_smile: I am taking it as a challenge! Honestly, either he’s eligible, or he’s not, and it’s a pretty low-risk thing just to give it a shot. And I have an attorney co-worker who is of Indian descent and has gone through the process before, so I can also pick her brain if I need to. But I definitely need a good night’s sleep first!

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So after many adventures with non-functional websites of 3rd-party Consulate contractors, Tom_Scud finally had his appointment this morning, and did not emerge victorious. Basically, the low-level contractor employee at the front desk told him that because his mother never held Indian citizenship, he wasn’t eligible. But when he showed them the section of the Constitution showing the requirements for citizenship, which she meets, the response was “huh, that’s not how they trained us. You need to deal directly with the Consulate.” Then they gave him the general OCI inquiries email address at the Consulate - the same one he used months ago to try to clarify what birth documentation was acceptable. He’s still waiting for a response to that email.

My (Indian/Canadian/American) lawyer colleague says he should go in person to plead his case. I think he should send in a letter with supporting documentation via email and/or certified mail first (he’s not keen on taking another morning off work to stand in line immediately). That way a) he can show that he at least tried to follow procedure first, and b) everything will be there in writing. Then, when in all probability nobody responds to him, he can take a copy there in person and see if he can get anyone to pay attention.

I think it’s quite clear that he qualifies, but the contractor folks are only trained to deal with the most typical of situations. The trick is going to be identifying someone at the Consulate who is interested in being helpful.

Does anyone here have further wisdom to share?