Tell me about being a high school teacher

As some of you may know, I lost my job as a business analyst in IT last month. In fact, I have been laid off 3 times now in two years. Needless to say, this is starting to get old really fast.

I have been flirting with the idea of a career change for some time now. The problem has been that I have not had too many other good ideas. Yesterday, I was talking to a psychologist and he told me that I would make a great high school science teacher. The fact that I didn’t dismiss the idea right away kind of surprised me.

My original career goal in college was to become a college professor. I went to graduate school in behavioral neuroscience at Dartmouth with this end-goal in mind. However, I quickly realized that I hated doing lab research so I dropped out after a little more than a year. I was sad about it because I really liked the teaching and other aspects of graduate school.

I am starting to think that being a high school teacher might be a way to salvage some of my original goal while staying away from things like research that I don’t enjoy. The problem is that I don’t really know what a day in the life of a high school teacher is like. I went to high school myself of course but that seems like a hazy world away now. I keep confusing higfh school with college which, of course, is not the same at all.

I am asking you, the teeming millions, what you know about being a high school teacher. I would probably work in either a fairly affluent Boston suburb or in a private school. I would teach either the life sciences or computers.

Please let me know the good, the bad, and the downright ugly so that I can make a more educated decision to pursue this or not.

The Bad: indifferent Administrators, indifferent parents, state mandates that bear absolutely no resemblance to reality, no classroom funds, acting as teacher, guidance counsellor, crisis counsellor, father, mother, confessor, etc.

The Ugly: never getting anything but flak

The Good: seeing a kid’s face light up when they get it, having a student come back after 10 years just to tell you “Thanks,” knowing every morning that you make a difference.

I teach in the California Public School system. I entered teaching after being in the business world for 12 years. I’ve never regretted the decision one bit.

I myself am looking for a way to get out of the business world and into teaching. My problem is figuring out how to do it without going bankrupt getting my teaching creds, but I’m open to suggestions and advice about teaching.

For both of you…check out internships. A number of states and districts have programs in place to get qualified business people into the classroom. As long as you have a BA, and can pass a basic skills test, and have a clean background, you can apply. The programs work. You work alongside a mentor teacher, and take classes towards your credential at the same time. A bit of a grind, but worth it, as you are getting paid for teaching at the same time you are going to school. Look into the requirements in your state.

The best areas to have experience in are Math and Science, obviously. Next are the technical areas, like Networking and Computer Technonlogies.

Good luck.

Another thought - teaching in Junior College. I did that one semester (algebra) and loved it. The students were older and wanted to be there, but the classes weren’t as huge as at my university. I was just an adjunct faculty member since I don’t have a Masters, and once I got my engineering job, I didn’t teach any longer.

Either way, good luck to you!

Good luck, Shagnasty. One bit of unasked-for advice: With your credentials, it sounds like you could easily teach in a for-profit technical college (I don’t mean a community college). My advice is don’t do it. My expectation was that most of the students would be there as a stepping stone to a better career. Instead, I’ve never seen a group less motivated or prepared (and I’ve taught freshman survey courses). Many were being paid to attend the class on some grant or another, and considered attendance as their only requirement (if that).

Again, I’m sure there are plenty of exceptions . . . this is only my personal experience.

Thanks for all of the good advice so far silenus and **FairyChatMom **. I am from Louisiana too PoorYorick so it is good to here advice from back home also.

Keep it coming.

Hi Shag, I don’t know if I mentioned this to you or not, but I’ve also been thinking about teaching high school (English). I took the Mass Test for Educator Licensure last month, and will get the results in a couple of weeks.

One thing I’ve discovered on this journey - times are tough right now for Massachusetts teachers. Many, many programs have been cut, and the towns just don’t have the funds they had even two years ago.

On the bright side, there is a great need for science teachers, especially in middle and high school. (Unfortunately, the same need doesn’t currently exist for music or English teachers.)

By the way, I think this is a wonderful idea, and would be a great fit for you. Have you spoken with your neighbor, the high-school math teacher? I bet she would have some real insight.

I like the idea of a private school for you as well - it’s a little more prestigious, and you would probably have the chance to make a bigger impact with less red tape.

By the way, the next MTEL test is in July, and the regular registration deadline is today. It couldn’t hurt to just take it on a whim (as I did). You can register online.

Here’s the website: http://www.doe.mass.edu/mtel/

It’s been a few decades since I taught HS English and people tell me a lot has changed. However, I would second the comment that the best part is the students that you actually help or inspire. The worst part, IMHO, was the bureaucracy and the paperwork. I was fortunate that the schools I worked in were good at backing up the teachers when it came to disciplinary issues.

I also second the notion of interning or some such thing. Back in the day, in order to get a NJ teaching certificate, it was required that a potential teacher participate a period of observation in junior year, and of course there was a half semester of supervised practice teaching in senior year. We were specifically required to do our observation in an urban and underserved school district so that we saw “for real” something besides the nice pretty suburban high schools that most of us had graduated from. Both of these experiences were excellent in giving us an idea of what we would really be in for.

I understand that the demand for math & science teachers has remained high. I’m sure you realize that the salary for a starting teacher still is probably not anywhere near what an IT business analyst makes. You also will not have autonomy, but will be ruled by someone else’s time and performance standards.

In addition, don’t believe what anybody may have told you about a short work day! As a starting teacher you will most likely have the most difficult and least desirable classes. You will also have a large amount of prep work to do since of course you can’t fall back on last year’s lesson plans. Grading students’ tests, homework and classwork may take hours beyone the official end of the school day. That’s without even starting on the submission and recording of grades, homeroom and study hall supervision, extracurricular activities, and so on.

It is absolutely true that teaching can be extraordinarily rewarding; it can also be difficult, physically and mentally tiring. When was the last time you had to be on your feet all day? You need to keep the students’ attention, add some entertainment, watch out what’s going on where you can’t see it, and you can’t really let down your energy level for a minute. It’s like being on stage. Every day.

You said you’re hoping for a private school or an affluent suburb. I taught in two different school systems. One had a very mixed student population, ranging from very poor and uneducated families to middle class. Some of my students’ parents were college-educated but most were blue-collar workers and homemakers. Some were receiving public assistance. There were a few hard core problems and a whole set of kids that we were advised not to bother giving homework to because they had no place at home in which to do it. However, the majority of the families were very supportive of the idea of aspiring to further education as a means of improving their children’s opportunities. Later, I taught in a middle- to upper middle-class community. Some of the parents were wealthy enough to send their kids and their friends on a trip to Hawaii as a graduation present or for Spring Break. Many of the parents were very successful in business without having any post-high school education. These kids, although not lacking in intelligence, were more difficult to deal with than those in the poorer community. They were often arrogant and snobbish. They saw no particular reason to have a lot of respect for some drudge who didn’t make half of what their daddy did. Nor did Daddy.

Just my out-of-date experience; YMMV.

High school math, 3 years’ exerience. Urban disctrict, lots of immigrants/ESL kids, socioeconomic status of the kids is all over the map - from grinding poverty up to upper-middle class.

Ugly: A couple of weapons scares my second year. 100% turnover in our upper administrative staff this year. 20% of my department either retired or left for antoher school this year, and that’s not unusually high.

Bad: Lots of parents who don’t care. Lots of students who are only there because they have to be, and figure they deserve a diploma just for showing up. Inconsistent backup on discipline from middle administration. Kids who arrive at a grade without having mastered the curriculum of the grade before, because teachers are afraid to have too high a failure rate. Teaching to the gods-damned state test. Incompetent counseling staff and co-workers. Paperwork and grading.

Good: Being able to be there for the kids. Taking my math competitors to tournaments and coming home with trophies and smiles. The “oh, I get it!” look on their faces. Seeing an genuine interest in a subject some of them gave up on in elementray school relit. Being counselor, confidante, and big-sister-protectress to kids who need one. The sense of accomplishment from designing a really good lesson.

Oh, and I kind of like professional development workshops, but I’m a freak of nature.
My advice: don’t do it unless you really love both the subject you’ll be teaching and actually interacting with students. The profession needs people who are truly committed to teaching and to students. It’s not just another job, and if you approach it as a job rather than a calling, it will suck for both you and the students. If it is your calling, after doing it for a couple of years you won’t be able to think of doing anything else.

Don’t do it unless you love children. I’m in my fifth year of teaching high school English, and on my worse days, when I’m overwhelmed by paperwork, when I’m furious with a kid for bringing a condom to class and tossing it around the room like a hot potato, when two boys have been caught trying to pressure a girl into having a threesome in the locker room, when I’m cranky and irritable and only have 70 cents to my name, the majority of the kids can still make me smile.

If you don’t love teenagers, don’t do it.

You’ve gotta love the kids.

My best suggestion for you is to take a couple of days off and observe at your local high school. Sit in with a teacher and follow her through her day - usually starting at 7:00 am and ending somewhere around 5:00 p.m. Talk to her about the local education politics, the situation with the state, what schools have good reputations, and what schools should be avoided at all costs. Get a recommendation on an intern program.

Teaching is filled with people who are delighted to help new teachers. I did more file cabinet diving in more people’s files in my student teaching days than I saw in five years working in the tech industry.

Good luck.

Go down to where ever you’ll be taking your teacher ed classes and talk with the students. See what they have to say about budgeting time and that sort of thing. Programs vary widely from state to state and campus to campus. Me, I was fortunate to not have to work full time while completing the program and my particular college didn’t have a semester where class requirements would have meant not being able to work at the same time. Where I am now, the teacher ed program has one semester with a mandatory class that’s only offered during the day, so you pretty much have to take a leave of abscence from work (it’s an all day class, three times a week-- total crap too).

Also keep your eyes open and ears perked for news about interning. We just got a new superintendant who’s decided we will no longer allow teachers who aren’t fully credentialed into the classroom. You can do your student teaching, but you won’t be hired to teach and get credit for student teaching at the same time, no interning allowed, for example. The tough thing is that a lot of teachers were pink slipped over this, with virtually no warning.

worst

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I waaaaaay recommend the internships. Otherwise, you’re paying someone else to let you work for them (paying the university for student teaching).

If you do it, remember to be tough at first. If the kids are great, then they won’t really care about the stiff rules, because they weren’t planning anything anyway. If they’re not, then you need to be tough at first so that they get the idea right away. You can always let off later. DO NOT get the idea that you will be the “really cool” teacher like you always wished you had, who lets people slide on everything and gives away grades. You will not get respect.

I honestly would look for the first opportunity to throw someone out of the room, and do it. Remember that the kid must honestly deserve it. But take the first honest opportunity, and use it, as an example. I’ve told kids, “This is too much. In about one minute, someone will be my example to the rest, and will leave this room to the office. It will not matter that you were not the worst. It will just be the next person to do (whatever). Do not argue or complain that someone else was worse, or that you didn’t know. I’m telling you now, and it will be your choice to stay or go.” Then, really do it.

Never make rules that you aren’t going to have the guts or energy to enforce. Tell kids ahead of time what is about to happen, and they can’t complain much later that it actually did.

Make friends with a vice-principal or someone who heads discipline, and get them to enforce your rules.

I teach in the inner-city, where the most jobs tend to be.

My advice is that before you start, learn as much as you can about the neighborhood and the school. Many states have school test stats on-line now. When you walk into your classroom, look at how it’s set up and where you will have problems (where the kids cannot be easily seen or move around each other without bumping each other. ) Several areas of my room have become off limits because of these problems. Write up a list of class policies consistent with the rules of the school (or stricter). Send the list home for the parents to sign and have the parent write out their full name and phone number because school records are often inaccurate and the kids can lie about their information; count it as a grade.

Be prepared to be tested by the kids when you are new. Being a teacher does not automatically make you an authentic authority figure. Don’t feel badly if you have to be curt to get your point across. Think of this situation: a 17-year-old boy who is 6’ 2" wearing baggy pants and a hoodie over half of his face, he may or may not have a good family that teaches him to be respectful. He may tell you to fuck off or some other choice words when you tell him to take the hoodie off of his head. You have to tell him and get him to do this.

The other ugly situations you most likely will experience:

fights, being told about any miniscule physical fault you may have, kids with parents who are really awful, parents who believe their child can do no wrong, kids who know MUCH less than you would expect they should, kids who have to be taught about proper hygiene, administrators asking for you to do a bunch of useless and time consuming things, special ed kids that are mainstreamed and are not capable of doing the same work, substitute teachers who wreak havoc upon you class while you are gone (not all subs, BTW), etc…

I was disappointed at first when I started teaching; there were too many kids problems for me to help them all. In many situations you can’t fix everything, but you can help a few and that really matters.
My advice overall: document everything, any incident or conversation with students. Make friends with the secretaries and custodians because these people know everything that goes on in school, use pastries if necessary! The ultimate measure of your success by administration is how well you keep the kids in line, in their eyes the teaching comes second. Keep involved with learning about your subject so that you keep your interest in it alive.