Tell me about self publishing

I have a coworker who has what is essentially a self-published book; her “publisher” is the guy who arranged for the printing and whatnot but is not by any means anything else. He does sound like a nice guy, and he’s helped her some on the marketing front, but she is sooooo screwed financially. She paid a metric fuckton of money to have the things printed, she got at least twice as many as she ever should have considered just because it cost less per book.

I did buy a copy. We all did. I kind of had to. It’s pretty awful. She desperately needs a decent editor, because I think there’s some potential there (not my genre at all, but I’ll give her that). She won’t even consider looking for an agent or a professional editor or anything, she doesn’t want anybody else touching her book because they would ruin it.

I don’t know. Self-publishing is fine as long as you go into it with your eyes open, but I don’t think most people do.

This is not true. Sorry, but it’s not. I personally know someone who’s book was spotted from the slush pile, by an agent/ director of foreign rights, for a small agency. They negotiated a 2 book deal, with a big publisher, for this as yet unpublished/unknown author. His first book made Good Morning America’s Book List, and his second book won a Giller Prize. That, then agent, was just promoted to Publisher of the company that published the book. A large international publishing house.

What you’ve been led to believe about publishing is wrong.

Your MIL sounds like she used a vanity press publisher, why would they do promotion? They already have your money. A real publisher does the promotion, that’s where their profit comes from.

All great advice, truly. Keep in mind, however, that a literary agent may recommend the route of self-publishing, be it eBook format or independent publishing. If that’s the case, you’ll need to market your book heavily in order to boost awareness and sell copies.

A few of my friends used the services provided by Book Marketing International, all to great success. Here is the link, in case you are interested:

http://bookmarketinginternational.com/

*Aaaauuugghhh! ** flees screaming into the night * *Every *book needs editing. I pay out of my own pocket for a good editor before my own publisher sends it to *their *editor, and I am pathetically grateful for every bit of suckiness/clunkiness he catches.

I occasionally buy books from the trio of small show-biz publishers (McFarland, Scarecrow and BearManor), as they will put out books on subjects other houses find unmarketable (I have recently read their bios of Thelma Todd and Lillian Lorraine). But they are never edited. They all read like first drafts–and it is esp. tragic, as I can tell there is often the seed of a really good book there, if only an editor had had their way with it.

I think this applies only if the “literary agent” has a pecuniary interest in the “publisher.”

Are you affiliated with Book Marketing International?

Wow, pbbth, I don’t even know where to start.

I suppose we should get some terminology down first: when you “self publish” a book, you are doing literally that: publishing it yourself. I did this with my first two books. I paid the editor, I paid the proofreader, I designed the cover art, I picked the paper, I did the layout, I built the indexes, I selected a printer/binder, and I wrote a big fat check for over 1,000 copies of the book. I then did my own promotion, sales, shipping, and event scheduling (to be clear, I say “I,” but I had a co-author on one book who did much of the work, and my wife helped a lot, too). With my second book, I had spent close to $10,000 of my own money before I had a finished book in my hand – but we sold almost 1,500 copies, and most of those were at the full $29.95 price, so it paid in the end.

Vanity presses are a different story. Most of them are POD (print on demand) companies these days, so you don’t have to print hundreds or thousands of copies. You pay them a fee up front (most are under $500, and if it’s over $1,000 it’s probably a scam), and they handle all of the printing. You are still responsible for editing, proofreading and marketing, but you don’t have cases of books filling your garage. Again, you’re paying money up front to get your work published.

Twenty of my books have been published by traditional publishing houses of various sizes. All but one paid me an advance, and all of them pay me royalties. I didn’t have to pay a dime to the publisher for any of those. Some have flopped, and will never even pay out the advance. Others have done quite well (in one case, it paid out the advance in three months!). My aggregate sales haven’t hit a million copies yet, but I’m well up into the hundreds of thousands (that’s copies sold, not copies printed).

In no case has my royalty been as low as you’re talking about. The range has been 5% (for an expensive textbook) to 10% (for children’s books), with an average around 8%. In the children’s book market these days, you should be pulling a buck a book, not fifteen cents.

YES! For one thing, it doesn’t cost you any money up front to deal with a legitimate publisher (with or without agent). For another, they do most of the work. In self publishing, you have to assemble the necessary team to build your book. With traditional publishers, they have editors, illustrators, copyeditors, cover designers, indexers, proofreaders, book designers, sales people, marketing people, and shipping people on staff. They have established relationships with distributors, libraries, and retail booksellers.

Sure, you have to do some of the promotion if you want your book to succeed, but a traditional publisher that has invested in a 10,000-copy print run is highly motivated to get out there and sell it. Their reach is far greater than yours. Self-publishing is a full-time job, and writing is only a small part it.

Go back up to eclectic wench’s post and read it again. There’s a great deal of truth in there!

This is the number one rule of the publishing industry. Money flows ONE WAY: from the publisher to the agent (if there is one) to the author. As an author, you should never be writing checks to your publisher or agent, unless you are buying extra copies of your book from the publisher to sell on your own.

I own a bookstore, and I stock copies of books by all of our local authors – whether traditionally-published or self-published – EXCEPT for books published by PublishAmerica. I just won’t deal with those people.

Listen to Eve. Write “Every book needs editing” 100 times. My last nonfiction book went through a peer review with 9 people, then went to the publishing house where it was gone over by an editor, a copyeditor, and a proofreader. I had a fact-checker go through it myself. Every one of those people found mistakes, and I’m not a sloppy writer.

For a site that sells editing services, that one really needs a good editor. It’s crawling with grammar and punctuation errors.

Can you define ‘great success’? How many copies has each of your ‘friends’ sold?

By the way, I just got back reader’s notes for my next book–not the editor, mind you, just a reader!–and there are, like, 25 goddam pages of changes and suggestions. Some of them perfectly sensible punctuation and clarification changes, and some things I have no intention of implementing (just doesn’t like my choice of words, or wants me to pad where I think padding is unnecessary).

After I got through the shock and anger (I wanted to hear “you’re the bestest writer in the world–don’t change a word!”), I realized I would rather be over-edited than under-edited, and I am happy they are really paying attention and taking this manuscript seriously enough to over-think it.

Normally with fiction, if there were that many editorial changes, the book would never have been accepted for publication. In general, you will get about a dozen suggestions from your editor, all on major questions (like the ending is weak and needs to be changed). Punctuation and grammar issues are dealt with in-house by the copy editor; you will only see them when you read the galleys.

I don’t know any published fiction writers who get outside editors before publication. Once accepted, you do get those dozen changes, but that’s it. And the copy edit is something the publisher is granted the right to do in their contract.

Not sure if you were talking to me or just to the OP in general, but my book is a biography, not fiction. At least, I *hope *it’s not fiction . . .

He won’t be back. He just came to spam us.

One notable counter-example being Eragon. It was a fairly “meh” self-published book. When Knopf picked it up, the editor cut a total of 200 pages of text. It then went straight to the New York Times bestseller list.

You mean you can’t change the ending?

As for your earlier comment, any person who thinks his writing doesn’t need editing probably has never read it.