Tell me about the Charlotte, NC area

We are probably moving in a couple of years.

West Virginia has no future. I love it here, but not enough to stay if I can have a much better standard of living elsewhere.

We’re thinking of North Carolina, around Charlotte.

I’ll be a paralegal. DH has an associate’s in computer stuff and he’s unusually creative. I think he could really get into furniture making if given the chance.

We want to live in a small town (10k people or less) that is within a 20 minute or so drive to Charlotte. We want an area with a lot of flat land because we want to actually have a yard for a change. We want safety, low taxes and the option of private schooling for Little Abbie, but also good public schools if the private schools are too expensive.

I want my house to cost about $125k (no more than $150k) and I want neighbors, nice ones, in a family friendly community.

Do all of these things exist in the Charlotte area?

Do you live there? Ever lived there? What are the people like? What is there to do? Does Charlotte have a good library? Are there lots of lawyers there that are hard up for paralegals and will pay well?

Tell me the good, the bad and the ugly.

I have friends in Charlotte and I’ve been eyeing the Raleigh-Durham RTP area, as I’ve had a couple job interviews for gigs in that area. Here’s what I know second hand: Cost of living in either area is pretty reasonable, though Charlotte’s is lower than Raleigh’s. Just to give you an idea, a friend of a friend makes about $1500 a month and has a 2BR apartment of his own in Raleigh. Raleigh-Durham may actually be a place you want to consider if hubby’s in tech, as there’s a pretty good tech industry there. Unemployment is around 5%, or was last time I checked.

Here’s a page from the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce with some general info: Link.

I’ve heard nothing but good things about North Carolina overall and, IME, the people who live there are going to do the most complaining.

I have friends in Charlotte and I’ve been eyeing the Raleigh-Durham RTP area, as I’ve had a couple job interviews for gigs in that area. Here’s what I know second hand: Cost of living in either area is pretty reasonable, though Charlotte’s is lower than Raleigh’s. Just to give you an idea, a friend of a friend makes about $1500 a month and has a 2BR apartment of his own in Raleigh. Raleigh-Durham may actually be a place you want to consider if hubby’s in tech, as there’s a pretty good tech industry there. Unemployment is around 5%, or was last time I checked.

Here’s a page from the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce with some general info: Link.

I’ve heard nothing but good things about North Carolina overall and, IME, the people who live there are going to do the most complaining. Course, now the NC Dopers are going to come tell me how wrong I am. :smiley:

I would strongly recommend looking into King’s Mountain - it’s a lovely sleepy little town not far at all from Charlotte.

A litte farther away, check our Lincolnton and Cherryville.

My family comes from Gastonia, which is quite nice but a bit bigger, although nothing the size of Charlotte.

Hope this helps!

We live in Greensboro, which about an hour, hour and a half from Charlotte (by the time you deal with traffic and all). It’s fairly nice down here. If you like West Virginia, you’ll probably like it here. We’re from Kentucky, and there’s been a remarkable lack of things to adjust to, really.

The weather is a bit more temperate than we’re used to, not quite so hot and humid in the summer, nor so bitterly cold in the winter. (The first summer people kept asking me how I was handling all the heat, but it was actually hotter back home.) The rain has a more coastal pattern to it; instead of drizzling for a day straight and then clearing off for a week, it tends to rain like crazy for an hour, then clear off, then do the same thing tomorrow. It doesn’t snow much, but everything shuts down when it does, and we get some hellacious ice storms in the winter.

We bought a three-bedroom 1200sq.foot house (not counting the full unfinished basement) on a 60’X100’ lot with fenced back yard in a quiet, tree-lined neighborhood for a bit under $130,000, and it was one of the more expensive ones we looked at. That was in Greensboro proper, and the surrounding communities tend to have much lower housing costs, so you should have no trouble finding something in your price range in a bedroom community outside Charlotte. You’ll probably have to go further away than 20 minutes to find a community of 10,000 or less, though.

The people here are really nice, and you can find just about anything you want to do, if you’re willing to look for it. There’s professional and semi-professional sports, various arts and culture stuff, and restaurants, and all sorts of clubs and societies and things. It’s about halfway between the beach and the mountains, which is nice for weekend trips.

I’ll tell you, though, the economy down here’s not so hot. I don’t know what the market for paralegals is like, but it took me 8 months to find a job after we moved. Not just a vet tech job, any job. I couldn’t even get on as a counter-jockey, for pity’s sake. So I’d make sure I had some employment lined up before I started making any plans.

I once lived in Charlotte for about ten years, and I still visit there from time to time. Next to San Francisco, it’s my favorite American city. First of all, I’ll deal with your specific request for something that’s pretty close in but more rural and flat. One thing to keep in mind is that Charlotte sprawls over quite a large area. The entire thing is called the Charlotte Region and spans several counties in both North and South Carolina.

There’s a reason that Charlotte is so sprawling, and it isn’t what you might fear. It’s not that the city can’t handle it’s growth; in fact, it’s the opposite. Thanks to North Carolina’s very peculiar annexation laws, Charlotte grows practically every day — that is, the city limits expand. Back in the 50s, the state’s supreme court ruled that “if an area is urban, it shall be municipal”. All that is required for a city to annex land is that the land adjoin the city limits and have a certain minimal population per square mile. There is no vote by the citizens to be annexed. Upon annexation, the city must begin immediately to provide certain services, including police and fire, and must within a year provide other services, such as street lights and sidewalks.

The effect of this is that you avoid the problems associated with urban sprawl in cities like Los Angeles and Atlanta, where communities arise just outside the city limits, allowing people to take advantage of the city’s amenities without helping to foot the bill. Contractors in North Carolina know that if you build close to a city like Charlotte, it is only a matter of a short time before the land is taken by annexation.

So what does that mean to you? Well, it has to do with your request to be 20 minutes away from the city. That’s not possible. I mean, it’s possible to be 20 minutes away from the center of uptown, but it’s not possible to be 20 minutes away from urbanity and be anywhere near the center of town. The idea is to find what portion of the city most appeals to you and get as close to it as you can. Because of the way it grows by annexation, there are quite distinct communities. Some more artsy. Some more folksy. Some more ritzy. Some more traditional. Some more avant guarde. Some more sportsy. Some more redneck. Some more cultured. And so on.

As a whole, the city is surprisingly cosmopolitan. It is a financial mecca, headquarters for Bank of America and Wachovia. It has more banking assets than any city outside New York. It is a city of entrepreneurs, and greatly values its rich history of risk taking and revolution. General Cornwalis called it a “hornet’s nest” when his British soldiers first encountered it, and it has major streets with names like Independence Blvd, Freedom Dr, and Liberty Ave. It has some of the tallest buildings in the southeast, and almost all of them are banks. It is also a US Airways hub with one of the busiest airports in the country.

It has trees. Lots and lots of trees. In fact, its trees are protected by ordinance such that you can be almost smack dab in the center of everything and not even realize you’re in an urban area. Trees hide the skyline until you move around them. It is constantly buzzing with civic activity. It thrives on recognition and takes pride in its history of rising to the occasion and overcoming odds. Its professional sports teams are prime examples. No one outside of Charlotte took seriously its ability to support them, and yet it does. So, you get the idea. Where there are banks and start-up businesses, there are lawyers. You won’t have any problem finding work.

The first thing to decide is whether you want to live in North or South Carolina. If you choose South, you are going to be the bastard children of your own state. South Carolina (meaning Columbia) doesn’t like North Carolina, and so the ten-lane freeway ride home is going to funnel into four lines at the state line. Traffic on that side of town is Charlotte’s worst problem. And yet, there are amenities there. Lake Wiley, for one. Southpark (a shopping area the size of a small city). Carmel Rae (the Beverly Hills of Charlotte). Carowinds amusement park, and so on.

To the west are foothills of the Great Smokey mountains. Since you want flat-land, that’s probably not in the cards. But it is the most rural part of the whole area, so if you can find a pocket plateau, you’ll be okay. In general, Charlotte is in what’s called the Piedmont, a land type characterized by smooth, rolling hills between the mountains and the coast. If you like occasional mountain retreats, being on the west side gives you an hour head start.

To the east are vast vistas of flatlands, but there is also some heavy industry in that area. It costs more to live east than west, but there’s more there. It’s a bit more snooty, too. Southeast Charlotte is the very pinnacle of snoot. If you like the beach, being on the east side gives you a big head start for the coast.

I think you’ll like the north side the best. All the high tect stuff is there, including IBM, Verbatim, and Microsoft. The University of North Carolina at Charlotte is there as well. Then again, so is Charlotte Motor Speedway, which is home of NASCAR’s longest race, the World 600. But that’s northeast. Stay toward northwest. That puts you near Lake Norman. You have ready access to I-77 and I-485. You are close to everything but still have a sort of rural feel. But it’ll cost you.

This is getting pretty long, but if you have any questions, I’ll try to answer them. Best of luck, and enjoy your new home! Coincidentally, there was a huge influx of West Virginians to Charlotte in the 1980s. They came mostly for jobs. There might be whole communities of them there.

I grew up in Charlotte and though I couldn’t wait to leave, I’ve lately come to value the city’s good points. In no particular order:

  1. Charlotte has a great public library system.

  2. There’s a lot going on with the arts, particularly theater.

  3. It’s a very family-friendly town. People in general are quite friendly.

  4. It’s extremely diverse. When people think of ethnicity in the South, they think of whites and blacks, but Charlotte has large immigrant communities as well. For example, there are a lot of Vietnamese families in my parents’ neighborhood, and fairly large Thai community as well. And, as throughout the South, there are increasing numbers of Latinos.

  5. Libertarian mentioned the trees. (It’s not a huge point, but, hey, I dig trees.)

Gotta go to work now, but I’ll post the not-so-good when I get home.

Coincidentally, there was a huge influx of West Virginians to Charlotte in the 1980s. They came mostly for jobs. There might be whole communities of them there.

Oh, I imagine there are.

10,000 West Virginians relocated to North Carolina in the 1990’s. It’s pretty much a given that when you graduate from college, you’d better head on down south if you want a real job.

I’m just one of a long line of people.

One of the not-so-good points about Charlotte, Abbie, is that every few years they change the way kids are assigned to public schools, shuffling students from one school to another. Though the goal is to achieve a balance between white/minority and well-off/poor students at each school, it often seems to be done without rhyme or reason. When I was growing up, if you lived on one side of my street, you went to the neighborhood high school, but if you lived on the other, you were assigned to a high school across town. Go figure.

Having said that, I think the public schools in Charlotte are pretty good. I went to public schools, often ones with a large percentage of free-lunch and immigrant kids, from kindergarten through graduation, and I’d pit my education against any private school kid’s. IMO, a bright kid with involved parents and dedicated teachers can thrive in almost any setting.

As others have pointed out, you’ll have a hard time finding a small community only 20 minutes away from Charlotte. And if you do, odds are good that it will be swallowed up by the city before too long. That’s part of the reason why I left. I didn’t want to live in a huge city, and Charlotte was just too big for me to love.

The only thing I could think of that might be a downer (aside from the southside traffic) is something that, once I got used to it, wasn’t a downer at all. It was a charming right of passage. And that is navigating the city. Charlotte is most definitely not a Brazila type planned city. It’s laid out like a spider’s web. There are arteries that head toward uptown (that’s what they call center-city) from all directions, and there are roughly parallel beltways going concentrically out.

But the streets change names. And I mean suddenly. For no apparent reason. For example, if you drive one of the belts I mentioned — let’s see if I can remember all these — you’ll start at the airport. Billy Graham Blvd will become Woodlawn will become Wendover will become Sharon will become Sharon Amity will become Queens (briefly) will become Eastway will become Sugar Creek Parkway.

And inside all that are some hidden pockets of navigational confusion. When my first wife and I lived there, we were checking out one of the old-money neighborhoods just because it was so beautiful. (Springtime in Charlotte is breathtaking.) We tried to follow a map, but suddenly found ourselves at the strangest intersection we’d ever seen. It was the corner of Queens, Queens, Queens, and Queens. We just looked at each other and burst out laughing. “Whadda ya think, should we take Queens?”

Also at that time, there was a short spur from an interstate to uptown called “the Northwest Freeway”. But the freeway actually went East-West. And toward uptown was South. So, there was a huge sign at its exit that said NORTHWEST FREEWAY EAST HWY16 SOUTH. It had every friggin’ point on the compass covered. Cars would actually pull over to the shoulder and stop, trying to figure out whether this was the exit to everywhere, causing unnecessary bottlenecks and even accidents. Fairly quickly, they changed it to Brookshire Freeway.

But as I said, once you’re used to it, it’s like you’re in the know. You can decode the morning traffic reports while out-of-towners panic. And it’s just a part of the charm of the place.

I moved to Charlotte in 1999 and I wouldn’t leave if someone paid me. I live within the city limits but 5 minutes away is another county altogether. Housing prices are relatively (1900 sq ft 4 bedroom house for about 148 thousand). Since I live here, I’m sure you have other questions you want to have answered. I’ll be more happy to help!

P.S. I second the traffic confusion! :wink:

burundi’s the most on the ball, IMHO. I grew up in Charlotte, and it IS possible to live 20 minutes from downtown and be in a rural suburb. I grew up in Mint Hill, which is an eastern suburb. $125 for a 3 bedroom ranch in a very good neighborhood should be no problem, as long as you’re willing to look at older construction, rather than new. (My mom’s trying to sell her 4 bedroom, $175 house on 3/4 an acre of land, 25 minutes from downtown, so I’m extrapolating).

One thing to keep in mind is that Charlotte is sprawling. When thinking of comparable city motifs, think of LA, not New York. You probably won’t end up working downtown, most people don’t. Paralegal should be find… Computer stuff should be much easier–IBM, Microsoft, EDS (and I think 3M and Xerox) all have big presences there, though outsourcing to India is having an effect. There’s also a lot of manufacturing, banking, and services.

There are several different areas of Charlotte:

Northwest Charlotte - The fastest growing, and probably the most expensive to live. Huntersville is the most prominent suburb. Sort of morphing with Concord, a mill town now famous for NASCAR. Relatively close to the university, UNCC, and the major hospital (nowadays there are good hospitals in all parts of town). You won’t want to live up here, but you may find work up here, which means your commute will be hell.

South Charlotte/Pineville/South Carolina - The sketchiest region. Mostly middle class and lower-middle class, mixed in with the ridiculously rich (old Southern money, mmmm) and the ridiculously poor. Close to the airport, Carowinds (Six Flags/Disneyworld type theme park), and South Carolina destinations and suburbs, like Kings Mountain. There are opportunities here for small-town feel, but this is also where all the strip malls and huge outlet malls are.

Downtown - Despite efforts, this area is pretty much a wasteland. There’s an art district, and the Panthers stadium. However, there are some beautiful historical neighborhoods.

East Charlotte/Matthews/Mint Hill/Albermarle - Aging as industry moves to the northwest, and Matthews is at the center of the school rezoning issue, but very suburban, and the further east you go, the more farms and forests you’ll hit. Sprawl is encroaching eastward and southward, and the closer you are to the city from the east, the worse the neighborhoods are.

The schools are good, but they’re in the middle of an argument with the Supreme Court and I don’t envision anything settling in the next 10 years. If possible, ignore zones and go for the magnets. I got a basic public education there too, and I ended up with a semester of college credit (including lab science and art history).

Just seconding that the public library system is one of the best in the country (I’m now a librarian, so take that as an endorsement <g>), and theater is very, VERY big. The commercials on the TV ain’t lying about funding for the arts. The town is very conservative and staunchly Republican, however, education, libraries, and transportation are top funding priorities, along with sports arenas.

Again, just seconding Lib, the mountains are two hours away, the beach is three and a half hours away, and everything’s pretty cheap. And once you’ve been there awhile, the intersection of Queens will be a source of pride.

I’ve also lived in Greensboro, and Raleigh/Durham. Greensboro is about my favorite place in the world, and also the most economically depressed. Raleigh/Durham is horrid and overrated. Charlotte’s blah, but probably plenty of opportunities, and you can’t beat the location.

Good comment on the arts, Rysler. 1% of the budget of every commercial development uptown must, by ordinance, be spent on public art. For the mammoth Bank of America building, that turned out to be the Blumenthal Center for the Performing Arts. Some of the art is stunning. When the old Nations Bank tower (the 40 story dark blue glass one) was first built, its art was Il Grande Disco. It was a 4-ton bronze disc, about 20 feet tall I’d say, and you could push it with your little finger to rotate it. Tt was that well balanced.

Do they still do the gallery crawl around North Tryon and Davidson? It was lots of small art galleries opening up at night while people strolled up and down the blocks, looking and shopping for art.

As a matter of fact they do. That area is now referred to as NODA. We also now have The Mint Museum of Craft and Design uptown, and Discovery Place\IMAX Theater.

I would definitely suggest having some locals show you around.

I interviewed there (at CMC) two years ago, and I was on my own to explore the city the day before. It all seemed very sterile and generic to me, but in the time since then, after getting to know several people from the area, my impression appears to have been pretty far off. I just wasn’t looking in the right places.