Tell Me About Vancouver, WA. Pretty Please?

If things work out the way I hope, I may be relocating to Vancouver, WA later this year. I’ll have the luxury (hah!) of living with relatives for an indefinite period, so I’ll have plenty of time to look for affordable housing and such. Long-term would be to have a place in a decent neighborhood that allows pets.

At any rate, if there are any Vancouver Dopers, please speak up! Tell me about your city. Is it really just an extension of Portland?

Will I need to cut my hair to fit in with the local corporate culture? (it’s currently a bit past shoulder length, I keep it neatly tied back)

What’s the population like? Racist rednecks, fundie Christians, hippy pagans, what? Talk to me. :slight_smile:

Anyone who has the experience to compare Vancouver with Spokane, WA earns an extra special ‘thank you’ from me, in the form of a drink of your choice at the local bar/pub/tavern/whatever when I get to town :).

Thanks, gang!

Hi!

I live in Vancouver. I’ve only been to Spokane a few times but Spokane seems older, maybe poorer, maybe more run-down slightly? We don’t get as cold of weather as Spokane and we don’t get as hot of weather. We don’t get much snow. We have better trees. :wink:

I’m sure traffic is worse, especially trying to get across the bridge to Portland during rush hour. I love being close to Portland though. I also love being close to Mt. Hood and close to the beach. Those are the two bonuses that Spokane doesn’t offer.

Some more generalizations I would make: not as many hippies as Portland, probably more rednecks. But I’m not sure how the redneck population compares to Spokane. I also have some strange feeling that we have fewer fundies than Spokane, but I have no idea where I picked that up from?

My best friend lived in Spokane years ago and it seemed like a very depressed economy compared to Vancouver, but I don’t know if that was just in the area of Spokane she was in, or if that has stayed the same.

…What other questions can I answer? Do you want specific area summaries? Cascade Park vs. Hazel Dell vs. Downtown area, etc? Also, depending on where you work and what you are looking for, you might want to broaden your housing options to Battle Ground, Camas, Ridgefield, etc. Those are cute little cities not far from Vancouver.

Definite bonuses! I completely forgot about Mt. Hood. There are no decent mountains around Spokane, dagnabbit. :slight_smile:

Is the beach a swimmable beach? I mean, I’d’ve thought that this far north (and that close to the Columbia) that it’d be pointless to try and, y’know, swim in it… it sure looked cold, anyway. :slight_smile:

I hope you’re right. I am SO tired of tripping over fundies every time I turn around… it’s probably one of my biggest peeves with Spokane. I don’t mind the rednecks; I grew up around 'em. Hippies are cool too, as long as they don’t get in my face about my wanton ecologically-wasteful ways, or something. I’m known to use styrofoam cups from time to time - the horror! I still recall an encounter in the Portland airport (which – if I may digress – is frightening in how eco-minded it is. Different flush instructions in the toilets depending on what you just used it for?!? Egads…), where a lady somberly informed me that I was despoiling our natural world with my non-biodegradable cup. I kept a straight face, but only barely. I wish I could say she climbed into a gleaming H3 or something, but no, she walked towards the bus pickup. Still.

Well, I don’t know the economy there, but I do know that Spokane is… shuffling into the new century, with much wailing and gnashing of teeth. We have a city council that is more concerned with blame-shifting for a economic wasteland of a downtown than for actually fixing it, for example.

Well, I don’t know enough about Vancouver to know what to ask, y’know? At this point, anything you can tell me is appreciated. :slight_smile: The usual, I suppose. Crime rate (from someone who lives there, I mean, rather than the stats I can dig up online), the ‘feel’ of the place, that sort of thing.

Thanks again!

You forget that Vancouver is on the good side of the Columbia River. :smiley:

There is considerable intermixing between Portlanders and Vancouverites. However, Vancouver continues to grow as people leave Portland for a variety of reasons. There must be a reason or three why literally tens of thousands commute across the river to work, but live on the good side of the river.

The Portland-Vancouver area is the last metropolitan area on the west coast were housing is affordable, and appreciating in value. Vancouver has a eclectic mixing of housing, too. I’m told this is deliberate as good and “bad” neighborhoods exist side by side, although the city is growing to the east.

There are all kinds of people here so you should fit in quite well - rednecks, racists, weirdos, fundies, yadda, yadda. It’s a definite spillover from Portland. However, Vancouver has the Russian mafia (though no one talks about it), while Portland has its own issues.

One downside I see is Vancouver has no personality of it’s own. It’s a bedroom city to Portland that despite a very rich history, has been unable to figure out what it is. Add to it an inability to regulate it’s own growth and you can find a haphazard approach to planning reflected in street improvements, building construction, etc.

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Crime depends upon where you live. The zip code I live in has a high crime rate (relatively speaking) because at one end of the zip code sits WalMart, in fact, the WalMart with one of the worst crime rates attached to it in the state. Drugs, mostly. Meth. The city enforces its no parking law strictly in that you cannot “camp” overnight in any WalMart parking lot in the city. As for the police enforcing other road rules, forget it. Portland and Vancouver police are adrenalin junkies and seem to only do something if they can draw their guns or stand around and look important. They are also incredibly rude and condescending much of the time.

I remember one time there was a major power blackout (caused by Hitler youth damaging a transformer) that put the busiest intersection in the city (one of the busiest in the state) in the dark. It was already early evening. Traffic was a mess, practically gridlock at that intersection. Of course, there was the proverbial accident 100 feet past the intersection where the SUV driver (driving too fast anyway) slammed on their brakes to avoid a rear-ender, who was subsequently rear-ended by a crotch rocket that nose-dived under the SUV. A mess. Gasoline everywhere. The fire department was there along with an ambulance and five Vancouver police cars (If you wanted to rob something at the time, now was the time cuz the rest of the city was unpatrolled.) You would think with ten police officers all salivating at this one accident (no injuries), in the early evening, in a black out area with no lights one of them would walk 100 feet and begin directing traffic at the busiest intersection in the city. Nope, not a chance. Too beneath them to honestly help people.

The area does have an environmentally friend attitude, but Vancouver is not rabid as Portland. Still, you will find folks cross the street and riding bicycles exercising their rights to the fullest extent. Arrogance kills quite a few every year. It’s unfortunate that not enough of them are young enough to be potential Darwin Award nominees.

Ah, why Mt. Hood? You forget that Mount St. Helens is that a way and Mt. Adams is this a way. Still, Mt Hood is a beautiful site to see from the city.

Swimming? In the Columbia? Not worth it. And Vancouver Lake is not up scratch. Go to a pool if you want to swim.

The economy is taking off. Vancouver is turning into a high tech center. HP is here; Intel across the river. Quite a few no name big players are here, too, especially chip manufacturers. (We’re talking the companies that grow the crystals to make the chips others use.) In the bigger picture, Vancouver still is attached to the Portland economy but doesn’t suffer under the stupidity of Oregon voters who can’t seem to elect decent people to run that state and fix its economy.

And forget watching the local TV stations for news. It’s all Portland-centric, with the weather reports being 99.95 percent south of the river.

This is interesting stuff. I grew up in Vancouver, but left in 1983 at age 17 (didn’t have much choice in the matter). Haven’t been back to visit in more than 20 years, but I’d seriously like to move back there because I’m getting seriously tired of Wenatchee, WA.

Understandable. I end up going through Wenatchee at least one a year to and from a wild fire. Too dry for me. And all those damned apples everywhere! At least you can make pie!

Funny thing is … I HATE apples!

I can’t say I blame you. :smiley: I’ve been to Wenatchee more than a few times, and, um… yeah. It’s pretty sad when the only thing my friends who live there can come up with is “It’s better than Pasco!” Yeesh. :slight_smile:

Duckster, the stuff you posted is exactly the sort of thing I’d like to know and can’t find out from the standard sources. Thank you!

I left Vancouver in the early 90’s, the folks still live there though, so I visit often.

The aforementioned lack of culture or identity is true. Any significant arts/entertainment/culture get sucked away by Portland (which is a fantastic city, btw). Vancouver is left with no real downtown sector, no real interesting shopping sector, mediocore parks and little entertainment aside from cineplexes.

It has also suffered constantly from strip-mall sprawl, that has been accelerating lately.

There are some nice bits, the old Vancouver park and waterfront is nice. There is no real downside to Vancouver, just crushing averageness and sameness everywhere.

It still has quick easy access to all-things-Portland, as well as the surrounding region which has wonderful scenery, camping, and hiking.

Nothing to add in regards to Vancouver - but I grew up in Richland, so thanks for the shout-out to Pasco (even if it was a bit of a slam). :slight_smile:

[slight hijack]I wonder how many eastern-WA people are on the board[/sh]