Tell me about Windows 8

Besides a few game developers and really nerdy development articles talking about Windows 8 being a bad thing, I haven’t really see it mentioned much in mainstream media.

Back a couple of years, when Windows 7 was coming out, lots of my techie friends were gushing about it. This time round the lack of word-of-mouth about it is much noticeably absent in my social circle…

So how is it? Does it really means the extinction of .NET developers? Does everyone have to use HTML5 and JS to code enterprise programs? Are there any reasons to upgrade?

All the gesture nonsense looks really annoying for non-touchscreen devices, but maybe once you got used to it, it would be okay. I’m not sure though because it is just so clearly geared toward touchscreens. If I don’t get it, the only thing I’m “worried” about is missing out on some possibly good apps. But the new apps look annoying anyway, since I guess they can only be used in full screen?

I’m going to buy a new laptop as soon as I find the right deal, and I think I’ll just go for Windows 7 because I don’t want to wait a few more months to find out if Windows 8 is a huge disaster.

I’ve actually been running Windows 8 on my laptop for a few months now.

The biggest difference for me has been the lack of a Start bar. At first I was panicked, then merely annoyed. I’ve found there are few programs I actually accessed through Start to begin with. Those programs I feel the need tohave quick access to I’ve simply linked to on the task bar. The whole Metro interface I agree is going to be much more attuned to touchpad users, but is easily utilized on my laptop. I will add the caveat that I rarely bother with it. My favorite part is the startup time. I can go from power button to looking at Google in Chrome in about forty-five seconds. This has happily led to me puling out my laptop a lot more often than I used to.

Hope this helps.

Based on past history, every even-numbered Windows release has been a dog*. Better avoided, with staying on the older version until a good release came along.

  • Think Vista, Windows Me, etc.

The whole duality thing is the most off-putting for me : you have 1 Metro/Modern UI and 2 Desktop. Your programs run in either and there is no clear indication what is running in the one instance when you’re in the other.

I’m also more fond of the Aero look of 7 instead of the whole flat plain Win8 look.

I actually almost never use Metro. Right there on the “home” page is a link to your desktop. I just click on it and go on my merry way. The desktop also maintains the look of Windows 7, including choosing color schemes, transparency, etc.

Windows 4 (Windows 95) crashed way too much but it was what I consider the first (modern) interface, and was light years better than 3.1 so I don’t really think it’s a dog.

I agree Me was absolutly horrid. Mistake Edition. My mother’s computer had it and it would crash constantly from the day she bought it.

Windows Vista gets bad-mouthed a lot, I don’t think it’s that bad having used it for a number of years but I agree 7 is much, much better.

8 looks to me like “what were they thinking”. They spend years polishing the interface that’s reached near perfection in 7, then they throw it out for something that looks like 3.1 with clunky, square windows and no taskbar, etc.

If you have a top notch computer hardware-wise you won’t see much difference between Vista and 7, but if you have older hardware Vista will run like a dog.

Windows 7 on the other hand runs consistently well even on very old computers.

Basically, Windows 8 is Windows 7 with a few tweaks for tablet users. Yeah, unless you’re playing the games from the store, there’s not much reason to use the tablet interface on the desktop. The only part you are somewhat forced to use is the Start Screen. But, if you pin your most frequently used programs to the taskbar and put the rest on your desktop, probably all you’ll ever use that for is if you want to search. Like the Start menu, if you start typing on the Start Screen, it switches to search mode. (You will be forced to see it when you log in/turn on the computer, but you click the Desktop tile and it’s gone.)

The gestures also don’t really play a part unless you are running apps (as distinguished from the desktop). The only gesture you even remotely need in desktop mode is clicking the corners of the screen. The bottom left switches back and forth from the start screen, and the top-left corner allows you to switch between the Desktop and apps, kinda like alt-tab. Though alt-tab is actually better, as it is the one place in the UI where apps and programs are both shown.

When using apps, there are a few more useful gestures, all of which focus on the very edges of the screen. To see all running apps, you put the mouse at either the top or bottom left, and move along the edge towards the other corner. To open the charms bar, which is mostly used to change settings, you do the same thing on the right side of the screen. To close an app, you move the cursor to the top edge of the screen, where it will turn into a hand, and then drag down towards the bottom. When the shrunken screen shows on the bottom of the screen, you can let go. You can also close any app other than the current one by showing the running apps and middle clicking on the one you want to close.

Finally, there’s one odd gesture that starts the same way as the close current app one, but instead you move the mouse to the left or right. If you have more than one app running, this will you will be able to dock your app to one side of the screen or the other, taking up a narrow 1/3 of the screen, while allowing any other app to appear on the others side. The bigger app will look exactly the same, but the smaller app will change modes, many of which are completely useless as they just are an icon and the text of the mode. It is kinda fun to use on the Desktop, though–all your apps will be in tiles in miniature, still running. I’ve used that to watch YouTube videos while playing an app.

I guess that’s all I can tell you. The dichotomy sucks, since they could have easily added a few features and made the start screen a replacement desktop, without losing any real functionality. Then the apps would seem more integrated with the desktop, without giving up anything that makes the tablet mode useful. Instead, it feels like two different operating systems, with the Desktop running as an emulator on the Modern UI.

But, hey, it does load faster, and the $40 upgrade does move you to the professional branch, rather than being stuck with the limitations of Home Premium. (For example, sound works on virtual desktop, and you have a group policy editor). If you have Windows XP on your machine, and have enough RAM and something more powerful than a single-core Atom or Pentium 4, it’s a pretty cheap upgrade. Otherwise, you can live without it. Though playing Fruit Ninja on desktop is fun. It is really awesome that all Android apps can be easily re-released for Windows 8.

I thought of one more thing that I don’t feel like going back and integrating into the above post: I don’t know if it’s just the Release Preview, but there are a few Apps that won’t run on Intel chips without huge glitches, and a few more that won’t load at all. However, seeing how the driver is one that comes with Windows 8 (as it works better than the Windows 7 ones), it might have been fixed. And I do know that some glitches come from the apps not properly setting which version of Windows they work on (e.g. Release Preview vs. RTM).

One thing I realized I forgot–you can get all your utilities by right clicking in the bottom-left corner. You know, stuff like the Control Panel, Command Prompt, Run, etc. It even has quick access to some of the more common Control Panel applets, like Programs and Features (Add/Remove Programs in XP) and Device Manager.

Sort of sounds like a Start button huh? One company has actually made a program to add a Start button in Win8: Stardock Start8: Returns the Windows 7 style Start menu to Windows 8

To me Win8 is sort of like Win7 with a new tile-based launcher on top. Seems fragmented. But the price is at least reasonable, that’s the biggest thing Win8 has going for it.

Vista’s problems were always exaggerrated (the biggest mistake was allowing it be installed on hardware that couldn’t handle it), but it was really a case of simply not improving enough. Some things were changed and rearranged too arbitrarily, and there wasn’t a single “killer feature” in the whole package.

Windows 8 is a huge risk. I’ve liked it so far, but there’s some odd choices MS is going to have to live with (and possibly apologize for). The two interfaces really should interact and complement each other more.

I just don’t understand why they wouldn’t have the option of having the Start button for people who want it. Which I do. Also, does Windows 8 have the thing in the bottom right corner that views the desktop if you hover over it? Because I use that all the time when I’m at work and don’t want people coming up behind me to see/comment on whatever weird thing I’m looking at.

I’ve been using Windows 8 on one of my work machines (desktop) for a couple of months now. I like. Sure there are some things to get used to; but it’s nice as far as I’m concerned. Regarding no start menu… there doesn’t need to be one because it’s been replaced by a Start Desktop if you will. All the applications you want can be arranged on the metro desktop.
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[li]Press the Windows key to toggle to the Metro Desktop. [/li][li]Don’t see the application you want? [list][/li][li]Right Click on the Metro Desktop and click on “show all apps” [/li][li](right click on an app to add it to the desktop). [/ul] [/li][li]Don’t feel like looking for the app using the instructions above? [/li][ul][li]Just start typing the apps name from the Metro Desktop. [/li][li]All the matching apps will be listed.[/ul][/li][li]Typing while on the Metro Desktop returns results on the left, and possible programs to apply your search to on the right.[/li][ul][li]i.e. type in ‘jagger’ [*]on the list on the right you could then click on ‘bing’, or ‘music’, or ‘news’ etc. to focus your search to that app.[/ul][/li][/LIST]

I for one am looking forward to buying a tablet in about 4 weeks. :slight_smile:

The newest release of Windows 8 (the one released to manufacturing) was modified so that no longer works.

Microsoft really doesn’t want a Start button on Windows 8.

Personally. I think they are pushing toward the Tablet model, so they can make money selling & renting apps (like Apple does) instead of having people just keep using their old, already-paid-for desktop programs on the new operating system.

Wow if that’s the case then MS is really playing dirty.

This start button for Win8 works perfectly (I use it on RTM Enterprise edition).

As BigT says, it’s win7 with a Win8 skin, unless you want the Win8 interface it’s not really worth the outlay.

Win 7 version number = 6.1
Win 8 version number = 6.2

This may be of interest Essential features missing in Win8