Hey duffer, now that you seem to be paying attention to your own thread, what the Og-in-Heaven is a shit-heel, anyway? I take it is supposed to be derogatory, but for the life of me, I can’t imagine what you mean by it.
Oh shit, I completely forgot about this. Can’t believe I didn’t post this link earlier.
Derek Bentley. Executed in Britain in 1953. Posthumously pardoned in 1998. No cites for American prisoners but the principle’s the same, no?
I’ve worked in a maximum security prison for nearly two years now, and I have to say that doing what you suggest would certainly punish the inmate. But know this: To treat a person like this, day in and day out, year after year, also takes an enormous toll on the guards and other staff who must interact with the inmate.
Who of you wants a job where your regular duties involve either punishing someone or withholding aid to someone in distress? No matter how heinous the inmate’s crimes, the person treating the inmate like this because it’s their job will suffer as a result.
This guy abducted a child and murdered her in secret. He did not want to commit “suicide by cop.” He’s probably pissed as all get out that he got caught.
Most pedophiles, rapists, serial killers etc do not think they did anything wrong. Conscious doth make cowards of us all, but it keeps us from doing ghastly things. Most of these people keep “sovenirs” of their actions, and some even hide the bodies and revisit them on occasion for further acts (Bundy was one for that).
This no doubt will think about what he did every day, while jerking off. It probably gave him more pleasure than anything else he ever did in his life.
I don’t know Qagdop, there are several people in this thread volunteering to kill the OP. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say those same people wouldn’t be too disturbed by the prospect of denying inmates to the extent you describe.
Ah, but it’s one thing to volunteer for a special case (and I doubt that many volunteers would actually be able to carry it out) but quite another to decide to make a career out of it.
Remember, one is supposed to go to prison as a punishment. One has their freedom constrained and their rights limited while incarcerated.
One is not supposed to go to prison to receive punishment. One does not go there for officially-sanctioned physical or psychological assault.
Who here would want to work in a prison designed to inflict punishment on the inmates?
Well, if you’d read my post, you’d have seen I was speaking of “them” overall. Not of just this one particular one. I said “many of whom” I didn’t claim that this particular criminal was doing that.
Jeez, now you’re gonna make me do something I NEVER thought I’d do. wringanother longtime member has a great deal of information, is an insider who has worked in the a faction of the prison system, has previously provided a great deal of information disproving this “most pedophiles…do not think they did anything wrong”. Not to mention, you can read and see interviews with these people all the time your OWN self. Many of them, even while killing BEG someone to make them stop.
So your statement is both unsupported by documentation, and untrue. Unless you are a mindreader, you can’t "know"as I quote you saying here, that “Most pedophiles, rapists, serial killers etc do not think they did anything wrong.”
I somehow doubt that having “Bubba” visit him twice a week for the rest of his life for “special time” is going to make him thrilled and want to jerk off.
Whether it’s right, or wrong, and FAR aside from my opinion on the matter, people who hurt children don’t fare very well in prison. So it’s not as if it’s going to be some pleasure cruise for him.
This is an excellent point and one I hadn’t considered. I find myself now wanting to come up with some kind of prison-worker-friendly way to accomplish the same thing.
I would ask you, though, to consider also the suffering of the family members and loved ones of those who were killed, and the tragedy involved in depriving someone of a lifetime of birthdays, Christmases, children, grocery shopping and trips to the bank, playing with their grandchildren, etc.
I think that this sort of punishment is deserved, and that it would go a long way toward easing the suffering of those whose loved one had been killed to know that the guy who did it is suffering like hell every day of his life. And contrary to what some would say, I think it would be a hell of deterrent to anyone thinking of committing murder to know that this would be their fate. I don’t think the average low-life goes through life with enough fear of the consequences imposed by the legal system.
For whatever reason, can’t parse the response.
I started the thread, so don’t tell me what the thread meant. Go spend your time fighting for a death row inmate and let me vent about a shitbag that is on video taking a girl before killing her. To be frank, i’m sitting at home typing this knowing my wife and loved ones are safe right now. I don’t worry about them so much because I have a concealed-carry permit. Both my brothers-in-law have ccp’s. my sisters and thier husband-b/f have a ccp. Whatever you type on your keyboard, however, doesn’t help us out. We take care of our own.
Keep your political/ideological beleifs. I have as much chance to convert you as you do me.
When shit happens like 11 y/o’s are abducted and murdered, I kinda take offence to it. Do you want me to apologize for that? OK.
To all reading, I wholly apologize for being angry about this girl being taken against her will and killed. To her parents, well shit happens. To anyone with kids this age, just accept that it may happen. And god forbid it does, the monster should be housed at your expense till he dies of old age. No, don’t worry that your kid can’t die a peaceful death because of old age. This is what caring people among us want. You see, what they see as right is what is. They know best.
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One does not go there for officially-sanctioned physical or psychological assault.
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I don’t believe withholding privileges is the same thing as psychological assault, Qadgop, although I can see how it would appear so to you. Once again, this person deprived the one he killed of all these things, it only seems fair to me that he not be able to enjoy them either.
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Sorry for the confused-looking post. What a difference a “/” makes. 
Guess what?
None of your caring or righteous indignation or desire for vengeance ever protected poor, dead Carlie Brucia, or any other innocent victim of violent crime.
The death penalty hasn’t, either.
That’s the point.
People will continue to kill each other as long as people entertain thoughts of “Kill 'im!”.
Understand? You’re just adding to the cycle.
Enjoy your brutality.
(Ahem!)
The above post was in reply to duffer’s of 1:03.
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[QUOTE=Qadgop the Mercotan]
One does not go there for officially-sanctioned physical or psychological assault.
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Where did I link withholding privileges with psychological assault??
We withhold privileges all the time. If an inmate flings feces or tries to stab others with his spork, he loses the privilege of being with his fellow inmates, and is kept in segregation. Seg is not a happy place to reside. He may dine on “seg loaf”, a completely nutritious but rather unappetizing block of food that does not require use of utensils.
But if an inmate is following the rules of the institution, he is not going to be subjected to blaring music designed to prevent his sleep, or be informed that his children have died if in fact they haven’t. That would be psychological assault.
The inmate will be, as a part of his sentence, participating in the “victim restitution” program, where he is forced (as much as possible) to be confronted with his crimes, its effects on others, etc. The intensity and magnitude of the program may depend on the severity of the inmate’s crimes and its impact on the victims.
It also makes guarding the prisoners more difficult, creates a more violent work environment for corrections officers, and increases the cost of incarceration to the taxpayers.
The use of priviliges such as reading material, TV, and other diversions to elicit positive behavior is the only tool corrections officers have to keep the inmates from going completely beserk. By selectively withholding and restoring priviliges, prisoners can be coerced into relative submission. By removing all the carrots and relying on on a big stick, you are create desparate sociopaths with absolutely nothing to lose. This approach once again appeals to the revenge/retribution desire of the victims, without regard to the realities of maintaining order in a large prison population. I say leave the running of prisons to the professionals; their job is hard enough without a bunch of arm-chair goons screaming for ever more vengeance.
Hear! Hear!
This from your initial response to my original post: “One is not supposed to go to prison to receive punishment. One does not go there for officially-sanctioned physical or psychological assault.”
And one is *not supposed * to go to prison to receive punishment? I thought prison was *supposed * to be punishment. In my opinion, in the case of heinous murderers, it doesn’t go far enough.
Give me a break! I posed my suggestion as an alternative to the death penalty and one which would not only deprive the killer of what he has deprived an innocent and much less deserving person of, it would make things much easier for the victim’s family and loved ones knowing this person was suffering. With all due respect, I guess that arm-chair goons such as me just aren’t looking at it with the combination of tunnel vision and holier-than-thou attitude you do.
I guess this is just another argument for the death penalty after-all. Then no one has to worry about providing incentives to get murderers to behave!
:rolleyes:
And 'round and 'round we go!
starving artist
From my post:
Once again: The punishment is being sent to prison. In prison their freedom is constrained and their rights are limited. They are not sent to prison to have state-sanctioned physical or mental assault imposed on them. This is the standard in US prisons. It’s based on US constitutional law. “Cruel and unusual” and all that, you know. Inmates can be disciplined for their misbehavior in prison. Inmates may be sentenced to a maximum-security setting with very few privileges at all. But inmates are not sent to prison to be beaten or starved or blinded or castrated as a part of their sentence, or as a consequence of subsequent misbehavior in prison.