Tell me why my son should not join the Marines

I’m ex-Navy: I would strongly recommend he looks into the Air Force.
The military can be an excellent experience but might as was go for a high tech service, I would say check Air Force first and Navy second.
I kind of goofed and joined the Navy by let myself be fast talked by the recruiter.
Here is a key reason to take Air Force over Other services.
I showed up at the recruiting office to talk to the Air Force and Navy recruiters.
This was at 6:00 am. The Navy and Marine recruiters were there. The door to the Air Force door said I’ll be in 9am to 3pm.
I missed this very obvious fact. :smack:

Jim

From what I heard, the military is a good experience if you do not die. YMMV. ;j

Death rate maybe low, but what is the maiming, brain damage, paralysis, and amputation rate? How about the life-long emotional scars from seeing women and children blown to bits?

As the father of two boys who mean the world to me, I would do anything I could to keep them out of Iraq. I dont think that makes me (or your wife’s brother) a pussy.

I’d happily have them join the Navy, Coast Guard, or Air Force.

This is what got me to go Army. All the other services said bascially well you “should” get what you want, but we can’t guarentee it. Army put it in writing that I would get trained as a 25F, and would then be sent to my first duty station as a 25F.

Speaking of the Army I would have to say no. Someone who signed up for a technical MOS will recieve 9 weeks of basic, and then their technical training. A “straight leg grunt” / infantry / 11B gets 14 weeks of training before they are sent out. I do know the Drill Sgts like scaring people by telling them they are going straight to war from basic, but I don’t think it ever happens.

As to my own experiance. I have been in for almost 18 months, and have not been to Iraq, nor are there any plans for my unit to go. Instead I got stationed in S. Korea for 12 months. I signed up to extend for an extra 24 months. After you add my training time I will put in my entire 4 years here in Korea. Did I extend to get out of going? No, I extended for the extra $400 a month. I think joining was a good thing for me to do. I got out of the house (at 25 years old). Got out of a dead end job, and got some great skills. Met some great people, seen some nice stuff. If I hadn’t joined the Army I probably wouldn’t be married. I am getting ready to continue my education, and get at minimum a 2 year degree before I leave. Then use the GI Bill to continue my education after I leave. They got me a security clearance which will make it much easier to find a job after I get out. Companies put a big value on having a clearance instead of them having to get one for you. Not to say there are no down sides to it. My job requires I pull a 24 hour duty atleast twice a week. Sometimes it is 24 on 24 off. I can’t just quit if I don’t like it. I go where they send me. I am seperated from my wife. Would I do it again? Sure, I would probably pick a different MOS/job than I did this time. Will I reenlist? Maybe. If I can get my WO packet in, and at least have a good chance of getting it approved I will. Otherwise I will be out after 4 years.

There are alot of good reasons for joining the military. What branch you decide on joining is personal preferance. They all have their good sides, and bad sides. If your son has a real reason for wanting to join then I say go for it. Like one of the other posters said, get everything in writing. If it isn’t writen down it dosen’t count. A friend of mine got bit with that, but luckly it turned out OK, and she got what she wanted.

The best piece of advice I would give someone thinking about joining? Make sure he does look at all the services. Don’t get tunnel vision, and only talk with one branch.

-Otanx

I dunno your situation, Sam, but I can unequivocably say that joining the Marines saved my stepson from a bitter, bitter life.

All the things I and his dad tried to teach him, he refused. All the things his sister tried to tell him, he refused.

He was headed down a path which led straight to the penitentiary. I’m not kidding; I wish I were.

Fortunately, he got the idea to join the Marine Corps. We went to Parris Island to see him graduate this January.

I’ve never, ever seen anyone so transformed by anything. ANYthing. I had a hard time keeping my jaw off the ground.

For once in his life, he believes in HIMSELF. He’s up at Camp Lejeune now, learing some special ops. He is finally doing something that he’s good at, and that he can excell at.

Sure, he might get an overseas assignment that ends up his head getting blown off. Hell, that can happen state-side!

At the end of the day, I see my son, doing what he loves, and loving what he’s doing, for the betterment of all of us in the U.S. It takes a very special person to be a Marine, and my hat’s off to all those who have what it takes.

(btw in 1978 when I first got the right to vote, I voted Democrat. So … it’s not about that. :stuck_out_tongue: )
Semper Fi, y’all. :slight_smile:

I saw Jarhead a couple of weeks ago with my son. I said to him, “That will slow down Marines recruiting.” Apparently not.

Seriously though of all the people I have known that served in the military, the only ones who didn’t find it valuable were the ones who hated where they were when I knew them.

My husband was a troubled youth and joined the Marines in 1962. He learned a lot about growing up and I think on the whole it was beneficial to him.

However, maturity can, as other posters have said, come from other places than the military.

He needs to ask himself if he believes in the cause. He needs to ask himself if he’s willing to give his life for the cause. He has to ask himself if he will want to give up his independence completely.

He might want to look into something like the Peace Corps or AmeriCorps (?) to put some purpose into his life. There’s plenty to be done right here at home and not nearly enough people doing it. He will learn skills, compassion, and teamwork.

I just want to echo those who advise a look at all the branches - Army, Navy, AIr Force, all of them. Each has its own philosophy and way of doing things. He may do poorly in one branch and be outstanding in another. Each branch has good points and bad points. If he has any technical skills or interests already, that is a big plus. As a side issue, certain jobs or skills have faster promotion rates. That is something to consider, as promotions are somewhat keyed to need, criticality and availability of qualified people. Still, even in the Army, even if they guarantee a certain field, it will still be on him to pass the training. I was an electronic repairman (33S). The training was guaranteed. However, if I flunked that, the Army would have made the final decision on my what job would be.

**Bear_Nenno **–Military Law has, in all countries and at all times, had an optional Death Penalty for deserters. There may be a Scandinavian country that makes an exception; if so, I’ve never heard of it.

I admit that my info on pay was dated. I stand corrected.

It means that if Sam’s kid has a fool for a CO, or if a campaign goes south, or if a politician wants to find a scapegoat/cut his losses/sweep his own screw-up under the rug, the kid is screwed. Period. Dead, jail, public disgrace, whatever. If you’d like to challenge this point, we could begin by pointing out how fast politicians & ranking officers have been distancing themselves from prisoner abuse scandals, & how each & every one of the Enlisted & Non-Coms personnel have started out by bleating that they were encouraged to do it by higher-ups.
And Sam does not want his kid in uniform.

That’s what this Thread is about. If you can’t help, go peddle your papers.

The last execution for desertion was in 1945. That’s 60 years ago. The reg in still on the books, but that’s nothing to worry about.

His name was Eddie Slovik and he got screwed. As for not worrying, that would be a judgement call.

I don’t know squat about the military. I have raised five teenagers. Just tell him you want him to join the Marines, and the idea will suddenly be repugnant to him.

I’m not arguing the circumstances, I’m simply saying that he was the last. For what it’s worth, I agree with you that he got screwed. But it’s a fact that 60 years of desertions have lead to 0 executions. You have nothing to worry about in that respect.

I’m told that boot camp is a great way to teach newly-grownups responsibility and respect and all that. That they learn discipline there and in the service. I’ve even considered – more than once – joining the military and working to be a linguist, a translator, working in intel.

I could. My parents met in language school and I seem to have picked up their facility with learning them. I’m bright enough to be in intelligence (I’m humble, too :p) and I know that if I went in I could go far.

I won’t, under any circumstances I could name.

I’m still young enough – they raised the enlistment age to 40 and I’m well under that. I have a college degree so I could go in as an officer. But my parents were both in the military, and while they both have some very fond memories, my father has all but actively forbidden me from joining up.

I can see why – I’ve seen what he had to deal with. I’ve heard what he’s complained about. As awesome as it must have been going to places like Japan and Korea and the UAE and just about everywhere else, he’s had to deal with some pretty crazy stuff. A lot of it could have been minimized or avoided altogether if the people he was working for were brighter, or if they had a clue what was going on, if they bothered to see beyond their own noses. “Mr. Ninja, we’re sending you back to Korea, the people really seem to like you!” “Yes, that’s because I treat them like people, not dogs.”

Someone mentioned that everyone has a boss and that the military is no different. Bullhockey. My boss can tell me where to be and what to do but he can’t shoot me if I disobey. He doesn’t have control over my life. And he doesn’t have control over the lives and wellbeing of other people, generally. If a stupid decision by my boss – a decision I have to carry out – is going to get innocent people killed, I’m in the wrong place.

I have a problem with authority – specifically, with working for someone who won’t listen to reason, who won’t see beyond their own prejudices, and who cannot be questioned. I have a low tolerance for bull and a lower one for ignorance and idiocy and while I can be polite to anyone, even if strainedly so, I would have a moral problem following bad orders even if for a ‘good reason’.

Now hang on, you say. Not everyone in the service is incompetent. Lots of them are fine thoughtful upstanding men and women. Inarguably, I answer. I have the deepest respect for my parents and indeed for anyone who goes into the service. It’s a crazy hard job, and I don’t just mean you have to think fast and lift heavy things. No, I’m willing to bet that the idiot-to-competent level in the military is no higher than anywhere else. Maybe it’s even lower.

But even one dead rat in the pantry can make all the food stink.

When they shot Slovik, there hadn’t been an execution for desertion since the Civil War (80 years).

Fine. If you desert you’ll get shot. Are you happy now? :rolleyes:

I thought that this might turn into a debate about military service, and I was right. Moving thread from IMHO to Great Debates.

If he’s thinking of the GI bill to get him through college, he might want to think hard. A friend’s brother is finding the bureaucracy to get the money for college so frustrating he’s thinking of not going through the paperwork to get the money.

There are no benefits fom the military that cannot be gotten elsewhere and the possible benefits that do exist (which aren’t that great, quite frankly) are meaningless if he gets killed in Iraq. The worst part of getting sent to Iraq is that he won’t even be defending his country. He would be risking his life for nothing.

Great to see the usual love for the military from you.

When was the last time the US military shot a deserter?