Tell me your flying horror stories!

I was flying from Detroit to Chicago with the Other Half (before he had officially reached that status - we hadn’t married yet but were definitely headed in that direction). By the way - this was before I became a pilot myself. I was Jane Public at the time and just as ignorant and stupid as any other item of self-loading cargo.

Prior to take-off there was some problem with one of the doors. Something about it wouldn’t close. While trying to get it to close the emergency evacuation ramp somehow deployed then fell off the airplane. Ooops. A couple of guys in greasy overalls were sent out to close the door and bang on it with large, metal objects to make sure it stayed closed.

We were informed that that door was now Out of Service and in the event of an emergency evacuation please use one of the other emergency exits.

Well, OK. Didn’t feel too god about that but, hey, stuff happens and we were finally moving out towards the runway.

Now, the following sequence of events takes place much more quickly than the time in which you take to read them. It was a matter of seconds.

The airplane starts rolling, just like in any other take-off, and just about the time the wheels leave the pavement (I mean just as the wheels leave the pavement) we HIT something! :eek:

The entire airplane gets yanked over to the right, the sensation was like being on the end of the line in a game of crack-the-whip. Stuff is shifting about, luggage is falling over, people are yelling and screaming.

My husband (who had some pilot experience at that point) tells me we just lost the right-side engine, as in not working.

A guy across the aisle is looking out the window and yelling the engine is on fire.

Sure enough - you can see black and white billows of smoke coming off the wing, with a few chunks of debris.

We aren’t exactly climbing real well at this point. I’ve got a great view of the ground from my window. I’m suddenly remembering the airplane a couple years previous that had a bad take off from Detroit Metro and crashed into a freeway overpass. Everything is still tilted to the right.

The pilots get the airplane leveled out. The malfunctioning engine stops smoking and shedding parts. I keep telling myself, over and over, that the airplane can fly on just two engines.

OK, at this point things seem to stablize and the plane is, apparently, under control although most obviously Something Is Very Wrong Here.

Me, I thought we’d turn around and go back to the airport we’d just left, but no, we don’t. No, we keep going to Chicago.

At one point the captain does address us on the PA - saying the situation was stable and if someone absolutely had to get up for some reason they could, but make it quick and otherwise everyone stay seated and buckled in. I kinda of wish he hadn’t talked to us - he sounded scared enough to wet his pants and, hell, if the pilot is scared…!!! :eek:

Now, really, the worst was over but we didn’t know that - nothing else bad happed for the next 40 minutes but people cried, they prayed, and I discovered that I really can’t be terrified more than about 15 minutes at a stretch - I think the adrenalin runs out or something. They did let the flight attendants up, drinks were dispensed, and a few nervous bladders were permitted quick trips to the lav, but even the attendants stayed belted in most of the trip.

I did note that we were following I-94 the entire way, instead of going over Lake Michigan as that flight normally did. Ah, thinks me, the pilot is thinking about emergency runways, isn’t he? At the time I was thinking he’d land on the freeway itself (and maybe, if necessary, he would have) but I now know that there are actually a number of airports along I-94 on that stretch that could handle such an airplane making a forced landing. In any case, we were very low for an airline flight.

How low? Well, at one point I’m looking out the window reading the signs over the freeway - the ones giving the exist for various streets. I’m looking out, reading off the signs “Grant”… “Burr”… “Cline”… “Indianapolis Boulevard”… Later, I found out those are the major exit roads on I-94 for the city of Gary, Indiana.

We were even lower coming over the south side of Chicago. We were flying into Midway Airport, and the pilot comes on again informing us that we will not be allowed to park at the gate - we will deplane and be taken to the terminal. It looks like we just barely clear the fence around Midway, and when the wheels touched down my part of the airplane was still over grass. We rolled down the runway pursued by emergency vehicles with lights flashing and sirens wailing.

We stopped off to one side of the terminal building and as soon as we stop the attendants are up and opening the doors. We hustle off the airplane, down one of those movable sets of steps. Meanwhile, a bunch of mechanics are up on ladders around the offending engine, which even to a layperson’s eyes is considerably worse for wear.

Most like source of problem? Seagull. Or something birdlike. But it’s not like there was much left of the object, and apparently some of the engine innards were missing as well.

Anyhow, it was a pretty scary experience. At the time I thought we should have turned back to our original airport instead of continuing and I swore I’d never set foot on another airplane again unless I was in the cockpit making the decisions.

And that’s sort of what happened.

I didn’t get in an airplane for seven years after that, and when I did, I was sitting in the cockpit as a student pilot.

About two years after that, my job required me to fly on business. It was the first time I’d gotten on a commercial get since the Very Bad Flight. And, to be frank, I was terrified. I’m also a fear-puker. I vomited twice before I got on that flight, but I did force myself to get on it.

On take-off, I was clutching the seat, sweating, and feeling nauseous again. A flight attendant came by, cooed comforting words at me, and asked if it was my first flight. I said no, but the one prior had been really, really awful, involving hitting something and fire and bits falling off the engine. She was very nice and comforting to me the whole rest of the flight.

I spent the rest of the flight wondering why flying ultralights was so wonderful, even if MUCH, MUCH riskier than commercial airlines, and why the relatively very extremely safe airline flight was pushing me towards a panic attack. Well, OK, it was pretty obvious why, but I did get through that flight. It took about 4 more trips on the airlines before I was able to relax and start… well… not precisely enjoying the ride but the ride was becoming routine again.

All of which is why I am very sympathetic to frightened passengers. I’ve been there myself.

It’s also why one of the biggest kicks I get out of being a pilot is taking someone up who is afraid and showing them such a good time that when we come down again they say “Wow - that was great. Let’s do it again!”

And that whole thing about fear of flying being irrational - well, no, it’s not entirely irrational and I wish people would stop saying that it is. I mean, people do have bad experiences. They hear about Bad Things that happen. Many people get airsick, so even if they don’t fear flying they certainly do come to dread it.

Beyond that - the average person doesn’t know what’s going on, or why things are done one way and not another. You’re strapped into a cramped little container with a lot of other people who are fearful or queasy or just not happy about something and you can’t leave, you don’t know what’s going on, you don’t know what’s normal or not, and you have no control over what’s happening. Under those circumstances emotions such as dread, fear, and anxiety are actually sort of normal reactions.

When they teach folks to get over their fear of flying two of the things that are done are, first of all, get folks aquainted with what’s normal in the way of bangs, thuds, and other sound effects, and second, teach them how to deal with their emotions so they don’t become overwhelmed. So, in the first instance, you’d learn that a particular thud is the landing gear coming down and locking into place, not something falling off the airplane - and once you know what that sounds is, it’s actually reassuring to hear it prior to landing. In the second… well, some of it is learning not to let the fear overwhelm you and how to calm yourself down. You can be afraid and still function.

Now, that was my worst airline story (OK, it’s my Worst Airplane Experience Ever, commercial flying or otherwise) … I’ve got others from flight training, if anyone is interested, but this thread seemed to be leaning toward the airlines, so that’s what I dredged up.

By the way - I still dread the loss of engine on take-off more than any other emergency in an airplane, whether I’m doing the piloting or someone else is.

This is more of a travel story than a flight story. I might have told it, or parts of it before.

Needing to go home for spring break in March 2002, I decide that the easiest and cheapest way is to take Amtrak into Chicago, then fly out of O’Hare. Everything went fine until I got to O’Hare, where I learn that my flight, along with all the others, has been canceled due to weather. Well, I’m not mad; after all, American can’t control the weather and they are being very good about getting people rebooked on later flights. I’ll just have to cool my heels for a few extra hours in O’Hare, and there are far worse airports to be stuck in. My original flight was scheduled to leave about 1 PM and I had gotten into O’Hare around 10:30 AM. My options are to get a flight leaving around 3, going through St. Louis or to wait until about 5 and get a non-stop to Albuquerque. I decide that I’d probably get in about the same time (same time being within an hour or so when I’m making travel plans) if I take the non-stop, and I’d rather not have to worry about anything going wrong in St. Louis, so I book the 5 PM flight and settle down to wait. And wait. And wait.

Boarding time comes and goes, with no one announcing boarding. Well, great, we’re delayed, but it’s not on the board yet. The weather hasn’t been cooperating all day, so I’m still not mad. Tired and feeling bad (did I mention that the train to Chicago is an overnight, so I showered before I got on the train, but at this point that was 24 hours ago), yes, but not mad. Finally, they put up a new depature time as sometime after 7. That doesn’t happen. The depature time gets pushed back again. Eventually, they changed gates on us to the other concourse (people familiar with this particular ORD terminal will know that K and L are connected by a short walk), but we’re gonna have to hustle. We wind up doing the whole hurry-up-and-wait routine. Finally, I get off the ground about 10:30 PM, having spent the last twelve hours in O’Hare and get into Albuquerque sometime after midnight on a completely uneventful flight. Oh, and did I mention that at this time I didn’t have a cell phone, so I killed an entire phone card, mostly in fees, calling my parents with updates?

Anyway, my time home is nice but it’s time to go back to school. Travel plans is to do everything in reverse. Fly into Chicago and take Amtrak back to school just in time to get back to campus when they reopen the dorms. I scheduled two or three hours of cushion for getting back to Union Station from O’Hare in case of delays. No problems flying Albuquerque to St. Louis. St. Louis, however, was another story. All the computers were down. I slowly see my margin tick away. And away. And away. We finally board. We taxi onto the runway. Then we set there on the runway. And sit there. And sit there. As my margin ticks away, away, away. We finally get into the air, and I’ve lost most of my margin, but I’m still okay, assuming no other delays. No problems getting into O’Hare and on the Blue Line. I’ve stopped worrying; though it’ll be close, I’ll have time to spare, but none to waste. I’ll have to have dinner on the train. Everything’s going fine, then the driver comes on to tell us the Loop is closed. Well, this is bad, because my stop is Clifton, and that’s a subway stop, although not in the Loop. They’ve arranged for a bus, but it’s nowhere in sight. Now that the clock is running again, and getting really close, I can’t wait for a bus to get here. I flag down a cab (not hard, as I’m sure the taxi companies sent drivers out cruising for fares all around the stops outside the Loop) to get to Union Station. I get to the train station, cutting it too close for comfort. And guess what? The train is delayed by about two hours, making all my worrying for naught. But I still can’t eat dinner and have to wait for the train to get there, as everything shuts down in Union Station long before 10 PM.

It was a windy night in Chicago. Really windy. Like 40 MPH windy. I believe this was the night a sign was blown off a building somewhere else in downtown Chicago, but maybe it was a scaffolding collapse. Anyway, the reason the Loop was closed? Some moron calling himself Dr. Chaos (insert your own South Park joke here) had stored cyanide in the subway. This was a bad week to be going through Chicago.

Alaska Airlines flight from Seattle to Ontario, Callifornia. MD-80, last row just forward of the lavatory. An older very overweight woman was having issues with her stomach and spent at least half of the flight in said lavatory evacutating herself and she was not quiet about it. Oh, and it smelled pretty bad too. At least 6 people, myself included, offered her various items such as Imodium and Pepto Bismol but she refused them all claiming they won’t work. The flight attendants had to spend a couple minutes cleaning the lav after each visit so others could use it before she started moaning again. When the pilot came to the back of the airplane halfway through the flight and offerd those in the last 3 rows all the free drinks we wanted, he became a hero. My wife and I were feeling pretty good by the time we landed.

:smiley:

Excellent description.

Moving this from IMHO to The BBQ Pit.

I was taking a flight from Atlanta to Columbus Mississippi. This flight is a little over an hour. Of course, it is a little puddle jumper type aircraft that has noise and vibration type issues. About halfway through the flight, the plane starts to REALLY VIBRATE, and be really loud, to the point that you had to yell at the person sitting next to you to be heard. My ears rang for a week after that flight. Then there was a flight by the same airline, same trip that dropped all of the passengers off at the wrong airport. Fortunately I wasn’t on that flight.

American coming out of O’Hare at night with about a 300 foot ceiling. Was many moons ago in an B-707 and we did the usual takeoff. We were in a pretty steep climb for about 1-2 minutes when all 4 engines were abruptly spooling down, way down … The nose pitched over, almost zero “G” and the engines were not coming back … and we were coming down fast…

Now I am and was at the time a pilot and had been into and out of O’Hare many times and I knew that all we had under us was buildings and people and roads and no place to go.

I was strangely not in a panic and remember only feeling sorry for the pilot because ha had no place to go and he was going to get there first.

After a couple of years, the engines spooled up and we leveled off for a while and then began to climb again and all was normal for the rest of the trip to Tulsa.

No announcement was ever made but here is what I think happened, judging by some of the things that have happened to me over the years.

As we were going through 3-4000 feet departure control prolly said, “AmericanFlt#xxxIneedyouat2000feetrightnow.” ( could have been and prolly was a traffic conflict or a blown departure clearance by either the pilot or controller )

For some reason I never got scared until the next day.

In 1991, I was departing St Martin in an AA DC-10 going to San Juan. About ½ way there, I was sitting in the very back, there was a sudden loud air hissing noise as if a cargo door or something had opened in the tail section. The steward at the rear of the plane was immediately on the horn to the cockpit as all around me the passengers were looking at each other with that * OH Shit * look we can get when things are getting a bit abnormal.

Soon the Captain cam back, a really short gray heeded little guy, why do they have the smallest pilots flying the biggest planes?, and he took a flash light and popped a small door in the aft bulkhead and crawled inside. About 5 years later he came back out and conferred whit the steward and then went back to the cockpit. No announcement was made but we changed plans in San Juan for the leg to DFW.
As I was leaving the plane, I was trying to get to a place I could see the aft section but due to immigration necessities, I could not.

I have always wondered what let go on that bird… I didn’t know I could sweat that much that fast.

I think I mentioned this on the boards once a long time ago, but I was on this flight. Scary as hell. This was in the days before they started completely locking up the cockpit doors, so when this huge guy, clearly out of his mind, was stomping up the aisles saying that we’re all going to heaven and that he had to go see the pilots, I thought “we’re all dead”.

By the way, I was one of the people he’d ‘blessed’ earlier, before he’d gone completely over the edge. So if he was right about being Jesus, I’m all good.

Worst experience:

It wasn’t a flight that I was on myself but I was involved since it was my daughter.
She was 14 at the time and it was her first flight ever (from Albany, NY to LAX via O’Hare and back). Being as how she was young and inexperienced we shelled out the extra bucks to have her “escorted”. The trip to LAX was uneventful and she wasn’t too thrilled about the “escort” since it consisted of her being taken from the plane at O’Hare and hustled off to the gate for her flight to LA without the opportunity to check out anything in between but hey, better safe than sorry I figured.

Her return flight was due in Albany at about 5 in the evening and I had an hour drive over the Berkshires to get there. I noticed the weather was rather foggy on my way over and sure enough, the flight was delayed …and delayed….and finally cancelled due to fog that showed no sign of lifting. As always seems to happen when there is a problem, the airline representatives vanished into thin air and after finally being rousted by the irate relations of people on the flight they admitted that the flight was going to be diverted and the passengers would be bussed to Albany eventually. They informed us that we would have to call the airline for further information. Lovely. As I had another younger daughter back home I decided to drive back (through the rather thick fog now) and contact the airline from home. After arriving home and retrieving younger child I contacted the airline and was told that the plane was being diverted to Syracuse and that busses were waiting there to transport the passengers on to Albany and were expected to arrive sometime in the wee hours of the morning. (Syracuse is a 4-5 hour drive from Albany) I was congratulating myself on having the forethought to spend the extra on the “escort” service and felt confident that my daughter would be safe until she was once again with me. Wrong! A few minutes later I received a phone call (did I mention this was before the days of cell phones?) from a panicked and tearful daughter who was wandering around Syracuse Airport with no idea what to do or where to go. She was informed in Chicago that she was not entitled to an “escort” as she was “too old” and was left to her own devices there. She found her gate at O’Hare on her own and was safely ensconced on the plane to Albany when the diversion to Syracuse took place. The flight attendants told the passengers that they would be met at the gate by an airline representative and directed to busses for the remainder of their journey. Only when she got off the plane there was no one about so she followed the rest of the passengers to the baggage claim and retrieved her bag. At this point she had no idea where to go or what to do and there didn’t seem to be anyone official about and she went into panic mode. I told her to sit by the phone and call me back in 10 minutes and I would try to find out what was going on. I had no option but to call the airline’s 800 number and try to explain the problem to some phone bank person in Arkansas or something. After much wrangling and some irate behaviour on my part I was told that she had been found in Syracuse and was being put on the bus. As I was being told this the phone rang - my daughter (I had “call waiting”) who told me she was still sitting by the pay phones and “no, there wasn’t anyone around who looked official” and “no, she wasn’t safely on the bus” In fact, she still had no idea which bus or where to find it. More irate “discussions” with the airline people but now with my daughter on the “other line” and more assurances on their part that they had the situation well in hand. I finally hung up with her as she said that there were some announcements and she needed to listen to them. I had instructed my daughter to call me every 10 minutes until she was with someone and on her way to the bus and she didn’t call me again so I had to assume she was alright at this point.

I drove back to Albany to meet the bus at roughly 3am. A fleet of school busses pulled up and my daughter did get off. After hugs of relief I got her side of the story. She was still sitting tearfully at the payphones in Syracuse after hanging up with me, when an elderly woman whom she vaguely remembered seeing on her flight from Chicago approached her. The woman (and her husband) heard my daughter’s tale of woe and took her in hand. They found the busses that were supposed to be for that particular flight after some research (all the “tour” type busses had already been appropriated by other diverted flights and they ended up on school busses for the 5 hour journey but that’s another story) and loaded themselves and their bags onto the bus (after a few more snafus regarding baggage handling etc) As my daughter was climbing back onto the school bus (after reloading her own bags since the bus was about to depart everyone’s bags still sitting on the curb) an official looking person approached her and asked if she was Exxx Lxxxxx. When she said indeed she was, he informed her in rather irritable terms that she needed to “Get on this bus!” This was roughly an hour after I had spoken to her and after I had been assured by the airline people that she was with their representative and safely on her way to Albany.
I really shoulda sued.

Best experience:

Emirates Airlines.
They’re lovely. I’m not wealthy enough to fly first class but in economy on Emirates you get nearly as much legroom as first on most other airlines. You get a fresh lemon scented hot wet towel (like you get at classier Chinese restaurants) at the beginning and end of your flight. There is a menu to tell you what your food choices are and the food is quite good. (and I’m a food snob!) Fresh, tasty, etc. They have individual TV screens at each seat that are large enough to actually watch in comfort. Along with a variety of movies and TV programs there is also a large selection of video games that you can play. Alcohol is free. And best of all, along with the “this is where the plane is now” map that you can monitor during your flight, many of their planes have two cameras mounted in the nose of the plane, one pointing down and the other pointing forward. You can either watch the ground go by when you are in flight or you can watch take offs and landings. Fascinating. Did you know that major airports have an enormous lit up arrow pointing to the end of the runway?
Too bad they don’t fly to the Americas. (correction…I just heard they fly from Dubai to NY now)

Slumtrimpet’s story about his daughter made me think of a similar story. Back in 1985 when I was 15 years old, I was flying back from Germany with my 11 year old brother. We were flying Delta from Frankfurt to Atlanta to Raleigh, NC. My parents lived in Swansboro, NC about 3 hours east of Raleigh.

Our plane was delayed leaving Frankfurt and we were going to miss our connecting flight in Atlanta (the last flight to Raleigh of the day). Airport officials told my me and my parents (my dad and step mother in Germany and my mom and step father in Swansboro) that they would put us up in a hotel in Atlanta and we would take a flight from Atlanta to Raleigh the following day. My parents planned to drive to Raleigh the following day and pick us up according to the new schedule.

We have an uneventful flight to Atlanta and actually land in time to meet the connecting flight. We were also flying as minors so we were met by airline representatives at the gate and hustled to the next flight. On the way, I begged them to call my Swansboro parents so they could meet us in Raleigh (being that it was a 1 hour flight and a 3 hour drive, I already knew they wouldn’t be there when we landed). Delta promised they would let my parents know to expect us in Raleigh that night.

We land in Raleigh, NC around midnight. Everything is closed, place is deserted. It’s very creepy. Our luggage doesn’t arrive. My brother and I find a place to wait, and I remember arranging our coats on the ground so he could sleep. After waiting about an hour (I remember exactly what I was reading) I started thinking - what if the airport never called my parents?

I find a payphone and call home collect, my mom answered and says “How is the hotel in Atlanta?” My parents were absolutely horrified that we were not in Atlanta as the Delta had promised and immediately got up, got dressed and drove three hours in the middle of the night to come get us.

I remember the sun was coming up when we finally got home the next morning. The luggage showed up a couple of days later.

Does anyone else get really upset about the extremely sharp turns they seem to take? I have to fly through Pittsburgh to get to Boston (I live in Illinois for school and my family lives in Boston) b/c my father flies frequently and always on US Airways so he flies us around on his FF miles and there’s no direct Chicago-Boston flight on US Air. I HATE the Chi-Pittsburgh leg. There’s ALWAYS turbulence landing into Pitt and their favourite technique is to overshoot the airport, make a 180 degree turn and then land. Believe me, that turn scares the hell out of me and it seems like every single time it’s turbulent or scary or something goes wrong. The last time I was on the Chi-Pitt leg we landed then the plane **bounced ** up for 5 seconds, and seemed to veer slightly to the right, everyone screamed and then we touched down again and came to a breaking halt. My father’s casual explanation of this was that maybe they were adjusting the position. Okay, I can accept that but AS we’re landing? Shouldn’t they have adjusted the position during that hellish 180 turn I’m always subjected to?

Two stories, from my family. I’ve been remarkably lucky, for the most part (I’m a pretty resilient flier and I don’t count 6 hour delays or mild turbulence as REAL horror stories although that time is spent consoling my wife, who is a bad flier).

My brother is flying in to Tel Aviv in December 2002. We are meeting him when he walks off the plane, which is about half an hour late. He is pale as a ghost, but OK as he is a resilient flier as well.

They were on final into Tel Aviv when a large flash and boom came from the left wing. They throttle up and fly back out over the Mediterranean.

This is 2 weeks after terrorists shot a SAM at an Israeli airliner leaving Mombassa, Kenya (they missed). As one may imagine, the plane is in chaos. No word from the pilot for what seems like an eternity. He comes back on and tells them that it was just a lightning hit. Everyone calms down a bit and the second attempt at landing was uneventful.

Next story is my grandparents, who live in South Africa. South African Airlines flies the Atlanta to Cape Town route. When they had 747-400s on that route, they could do it non-stop ATL to FACT but not the other way. It was the longest nonstop commercial air route (15 hrs 45 mins, I’ve flown it and it ain’t that fun). Now they have the new Airbuses, and they have to stop in Ilha do Sal in the Cape Verde Islands.

Ilha do Sal is a very salty (hence the name) volcanic island with little but a small airport which serves Europe<->South America and the aforementioned SA<->USA flights. No grass, no nothing. Last month, they were coming in for my brother’s wedding. Landed in Sal. Took off an hour later uneventfully after a refuel. Two hours into the second leg, something broke, they turned the plane around, dumped fuel, and landed in Sal.

Getting caught in Sal is a bad thing. There is nothing but a basic maintenance crew there, and the SAA Airbus was a new plane with which they apparently had no experience. They flew a crew out from Cape Town, so that is a seven hour delay right there.

The crew couldn’t fix it. The passengers have now been there around 12 hours. The Sal airport is comparable to a small regional airport with a duty free store. One terminal, three or four gates, built in the 1960s and never updated. There were only one or two SAA representatives available, and they couldn’t offer any options.

Eventually, one of the enterprising passengers used the one airport phone to call the CEO of SAA back in Cape Town. The CEO was unaware. After around 24 hours in the airport, SAA put them up at the other end of the island, where, apparently, there is a small resort.

They sat there for 2 more days until SAA could get another Airbus to Sal. It apparently has a beautiful beach, but they were pissed as my grandfather is pushing 90 and they only had 2 weeks in America for my brother’s wedding.

This made the front page of newspapers in South Africa.

Now, while I’ve only been on two plane trips, I think it’s safe to say I’ve had my “bad flight story” trip already.

I’m flying to CT to spend July 4th with <b>insomnia4am</b>. Because I’m an idiot, I’m flying from Lexington to Hartford with a change in Detroit.

I arrive at the Blue Grass Airport, Hair Care and Tire Center, to borrow a line from Ron White, at about 12 o’clock for a 1:15 flight. About 12:45, a HEAVY rainstorm comes up. Now, despite this rain, planes are still landing and taking off without serious incident.

Not my flight, which is on its way from Detroit. First, we’re told it’s circling and waiting to land.

At 1:25, they tell us it’s turned around and headed back to Detroit. (?!) The 40 of us on the flight are told to go downstairs to the ticket counter where they’ll work out alternate arrangements.

As we’re all standing in line at the counter, they announce that the plane landed after all. This means we all have to go BACK through security. :smack:

We get on the plane and pull away from the terminal at about 2. Then, as we’re in line to take off, we have to pull over because a light bulb didn’t light up. 20 minutes later, we finally take off.

We arrived in Detroit in something like 80 minutes. Unfortunately, my flight to Hartford had left 45 minutes earlier. Thankfully, the airline had rebooked me on the next flight. However, that flight wouldn’t leave until 8, meaning I had 3+ hours to kill in the Detroit airport with the princely sum of $10 in my pocket.

I finally got to Hartford at 11:30, which wiped out dinner plans as well as costing me an entire evening of my vacation. I’m never flying Northwest again.

Could a mod fix my coding? I lapsed into HTML for that bold tag.

My horror story didn’t happen to me; it happened to my dad. I just got to hear about it on the morning news. :eek:

I know they seem sharp, but outside of emergencies the bank is limited. Limited to (if I recall correctly) no more that about 15-20 degrees, and they try to keep it on the low end - if one of the Big Pilots wanders by I’m sure he’ll correct me.

The seem sharper because 1) you’re not used to being in a big vehicle that tilts like that and 2) you’re probably already a little anxious. If it really bothers you it might help to not look out the windows. If a turn is done properly in an airplane you shouldn’t be able to feel that you’re at an angle (complex explanation omitted).

The exception, of course, being actual emergencies where saving everyone’s life takes precedence over their emotional equilibrium.

Let me explain a bit about mountains and turbulence.

You know how water going over rocks in a river causes rapids? Sometimes they’re itty ripples and sometimes it looks like the “agitate” cycle of a washing machine, but basically water moving over an obstruction in the river stirs things up.

OK, now, recall that the air moves (we call it “wind”) and that many continents have these rather large obstructions called “mountains.”. Wind going over a mountain top is somewhat like water going over rocks, and in both cases you get turbulence.

A big difference is that in an airplane you can (at least in theory) fly over the worst of the mess, and if the wind isn’t blowing then the air is calm and non-turbulent.

Anyhow, the reason an airport in, say Pittsburgh, has more turbulence than an airport in, say, Chicago is due to the proximity of the Appalacian mountain chain. Likewise, this is why you can get some pretty rough air near Denver - you’re in the Rockies. The “big drop air pockets” are more common in the Denver area for similar reasons - the mountains affect how the air flows in the area.

Now, I haven’t flown into Pittsburgh myself, but the likely explanations for going past the airport and circleing back are:

  1. that’s the runway that’s aligned into the wind (it’s preferable to land into the wind whenever possible)
  2. going the other way would take you through even worse turbulence.

In this case I believe you are correct.

The adjustments to line up with the runway come well in advance - in fact, they start before the turn if the pilot’s on the ball, with (in theory) only minor refinements needed on the leg before touchdown.

From the sound of it, you had a rough (bounce-bouce-bounce) crosswind (veer slightly to the right) landing. If you bounce at all it’s not a good landing (although it may be the best landing possible under the circumstances if the weather isn’t in your favor).

Now, remember in an earlier post I mentioned that point in time when you’re neither flying nor rolling but somewhere in between? And how that’s the point you’re most likely to “lose it” on landing? That’s pretty much where you were when you bounced and veered.

Oh, dear, is that screaming I hear?

Before everyone gets in a panic - there IS a good margin of error here. If you’re flying into the wind and the wind suddenly diminishes, and you’re about to touch down anyway, you can easily get a drop/bounce touchdown. This isn’t good, but it’s almost never a real calamity. The landing gear is built to take some pounding, and the drop is only a foot or three - it just feels like more (even to those of us up front - we’re going “D’oh! Could have been better!”)

Anyhow, at that point the airspeed is so slow the wings aren’t entirely effective as steering devices, and during the bounce the wheels aren’t touching so they aren’t helping with directional control - hence, the wind starts to push your airplane to the right.

But you didn’t die, right?

Here’s how the pilots take care of that situation: if it’s an itty-bitty bounce, the airplane will just come back to the runway (gravity is, after all, 100% reliable in these matters) and you can resume normal operations. They make runways as wide as they do just so little oopsies like this don’t become critical. You can be a foot or three off the centerline with no harm done.

If it’s a bigger bounce the pilot applies power and performs a go-around - goes back up, circles around, and comes back to land again.

Please note that in either case the end goal is to either land and stay landed, or go back to flying. In either state (fully landed or fully airborne) the pilot has full steering authority back and can then proceed safetly. The point is not to stay in the in-between zone any longer than necessary. Bounce landings happen to all pilots and in their regular training it is one of the things they practice handling.

The only time this really gets hairy is when the runway is slick due to rain, slush, snow, or ice.

The old joke about this situation is that such landings are niether the pilots’ fault nor the airplane’s fault - it’s the asphalt.

Coincidently - last Saturday I spent 45 minutes practicing my high performance (that means “difficult”) landings with an instructor. That was 3/4 of a hour with one take-off/landing sequence after another, demonstrating how to get off the ground and back on it again in the minimum possible distance, obstacle clearance, and so forth. It was also a little gusty, meaning I had to deal with some turbulence coming off a stand of trees near the runway. Yeah, I bounced one of the landings - so I got to practice that. Meanwhile, the guy sitting next to me is critiquing every aspect of what I’m doing, from how I’m talking on the radio to the accuracy of my direction/steering to my ability to assess current conditions and problem solve, the promptness with with I perform necessary actions, and pretty much everything else. My point being that pilots do practice all of these things with no passengers around, so when we do have passengers we know exactly what to do. Trust me, your airline pilot has dealt with hundreds of bounced landings over the course of his training and career. Of course, with my going around and around at a single airport I did have the luxury of refining my techique for that precise set of conditions each time around… airline pilots are supposed to get it right the first time. One way they do that is by talking to the airplane ahead of them. The guy who just landed on the runway reports on conditions, including the state of the pavement, areas of turbulence, and anything else important so the next pilot in line is prepared. If the report from the ground is sufficiently alarming (ice on the runway, vicious crosswind, zero visibility) this may be enough to prompt a go-around or even a diversion, thereby entirely eliminating a scary landing.

Thanks to full-motion simulators, airline can practice landing in conditions far worse than they would ever choose to land in, in real life. This makes them even better prepared to deal with this sort of thing when actually encountered.

Grand Canyon Airlines. Sightseeing flights over the canyon.

I didn’t see the canyon. All I saw was the inside of several barf bags. I have never before or since been so motion sick. I think I threw up both kneecaps and several toes, not to mention most of both my large and small intestines after the stomach contents were gone. When I wasn’t barfing, I was clutching my camera bag and moaning stuff to the effect of “Get us down on the ground. I don’t care if we crash, just get us down.”

Everyone else on the flight was just as sick as I was, but knowing that didn’t help. Misery does NOT love company.

Why thank you yet again for that detailed explanation Broomstick. I’m sure you make your passengers feel good because your post just alleviated a lot of my tension about Pitt.

On a happy note, I gave my dad enough notice on vacation this year that he got his FF points transferred to United so I can just take a direct flight back to Beantown.

I’ve flown a lot but somehow the really great flights are the ones I remember more than the awful ones–and the really great ones are generally those that could have been awful but customer service wowed me.

My worst overall experience, not as a passenger, was when my mom was coming to visit me on the East Coast from Nebraska on July 19, 1989. I went to pick her up, but she didn’t get off the plane. It was unlike her to miss a flight and not call me first, so I went to United to inquire. They gave me a 1-800 number to call. I called, explaining my mom was a United passenger who hadn’t arrived. The public relations genius who answered said, “Are you calling about the plane crash?” :eek:

I hadn’t heard about that Sioux City crash yet. They quickly backpedaled and told me nothing. I spent a few anxious hours pretty sure that it wasn’t her plane, based on the news stories, but I couldn’t be sure. Finally I heard from her; it turns out she wasn’t on that flight (though a friend of the family was, and did in fact die). She’d missed a connection in Chicago and was quickly rerouted with no time to grab a phone. But it was a nailbiter for me for awhile, and I think the person who answered the phone took a few years off my life.

By the way, if you’ve ever read an account of that flight (UAL 232), or read a transcript of the cockpit voice recorder, the pilot pulled off a miracle. It’s not for nervous fliers, but it’s fascinating.

Broomstick

Thanks for your very informative posts. I always wondered why my ride in a prop plane into Roanoke was the spookiest of my life. In retrospect, I should have deduced easily the problem with mountains and turbulence.

Lib

(Wondering why this is in the Pit…)