Temperature Controlled Cargo Holds

For a flight from Montreal (Canada) to Melbourne (Australia)…

I would like to know how I go about knowing which airlines have temperature controlled cargo holds. I will be bringing cats which have to go in the plane’s cargo hold :frowning: and this will be quite important.

I know that I will have to contact Qantas and AA (which piggybacks the Q flights), for the last leg of my trip. I’m more concerned about the first leg (Montreal to LAX).

Short of calling each airline’s customer service toll-free number, being on hold for a minimum of 15 minutes, and quite possibly getting an incompetent, inaccurate answer to my very important question (which would result in the most acidic vitriolic rant in the BBQ pit you’ve ever witnessed) ~ HOW can I find out?

IANGWDA, also IANAAE (I am not a guy who designs airplanes, I am not an airline employee), but I am going to venture a guess that all current large transport aircraft both pressurize and heat their cargo holds.
If they accept pets for transport, they pretty much would have to. Otherwise at the end of every long trip the luggage guys would be unpacking dogscicles, and catscicles. The outside air at cruising altitude is about -40.
It would be bad for repeat business if the airline killed every animal that they accepted for transport.
Perhaps we can get Pilot141 to stop by and give us the straight dope.

Google has some useful links, such as this one, that give airline pet-transport policies.

Many airlines impose restrictions on pet transport based on the forecast outside ground temperature; a typical restriction says that pets will not be accepted if the outside temperature is above 85 degrees F (and some have lower limits). No doubt this is related to survivability while the baggage is being handled on the ground.

I think the implication is clear that baggage compartments are pet-comfortable during flight. If baggage compartments were unpressurized or unheated, more than pets would suffer – for example, toiletries might freeze and break their containers.

Well thanks Rick for explaining “IANGWDA” and “IANAAE”, because that was about to send me off to Google. I feel like such a loser that I still don’t know what WAG is. I thought it was: Wild Ass Guess, but I’ve seen it used in contexts that don’t work.

As you know by now, I’m in Montreal Canada. I’ve seen stray cats out here all winter. And we’ve hit -40 for more than a few days in a row, on many occasions this year. Miraculously, they’re still alive. And still after the birds on my outdoor birdfeeder. So it’s possible that 6 hours of transport to LAX, or 13 hours of transport to MEL wouldn’t kill them. It’s the loss of pressure as a combo that could do them in. (There’s also something about loss of pressure that makes giving them some ‘chill-pills’ counter-productive.)

Anyway … I was surprised to find out, when I was planning a much closer move to Calgary (some 3000 odd kilometers) that SOME aircraft did not have temperature controlled cabins, including some used by Air Canada.

I had contacted a Pet Transporter company as “plan B”, because Air Canada wouldn’t let me board 4 cats at once. Two per flight. The woman I contacted didn’t serve Montreal, but had lived in Calgary for a few years, and said I’d enjoy the city. She then gave me a few tips about moving the cats. Thus, my quite recent knowledge that some aircraft used today do not have cargo holds suitable for pets, but they won’t tell you that when they book you. They’ll only tell you if you ask, and even then it’s not guaranteed that they aren’t appeasing you because they don’t know the answer themselves.

That’s just ONE of my nightmares in all of this. Another one is how many pets escape their transport cages. But that’s a whole 'nother thread. If you look up Pearson Airport (Toronto) and lost pets on Google (not neccessarily in that order), you’ll see that 5000 pets are either lost or killed by the commercial airline industry each year. I had decided to DRIVE my cats to Calgary; unfortunately I can’t do the same for Australia. I’ll be buying those plastic ties they sell that loop into themselves, and won’t undo unless you cut them. Hopefully that will help. That and a prayer.

*** WARNING!!! NOT FOR ANIMAL SENSTIVE FOLK LIKE ME *** For an example, click here for Animal Abuse Air Canada Dot Com. The airline was willing to reimbourse the cost of their pet. COST? WTF? It’s FREE to have a baby. Would you say that the cost for a baby is nothing? I’m beside myself that I have to put my ‘babies’ in cargo, but to know that I’m dealing with airlines who think of my ‘cargo’ in terms of cost price is chilling. That’s just one example. I’ve heard many more nightmares.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I’m doing everything I can think of to get them there as safely and sanely as possible. Just them being in quarrantine is a torture for me, but at some point, I have to live for me. I’m engaged and will be living in Australia for the rest of my life, presumably. So I’m doing the best I reasonably can.

From the Air Canada website

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You may have bigger problems that how warm the cargo compartment is.

I think they mean you can’t just show up for your flight carrying your puppy. There are procedures set forth by the Australian government that need to be undertaken in order to import animals. It can be done, but it takes a lot of preparation…vaccines, blood tests, import permits, etc.

Oh Rick! You’re such a sweetheart!

Thanks for the following things:

~ Making my shares in Molson (beer) increase drastically, as I will certainly need one or two or ten beers to calm my nerves down, now.
~ Looking on the website for me … really, excessively sweet, considering I’m a stranger.
~ Reporting it back to me. I’m incredulous as to how community-responsible the SDMB members are to mere strangers. It’s quite heart-warming.

I’m sure I’ll find a way around this Rick, but once again, thanks so much. I’ll let you know.
*** Dear G-d, please get my kitties to Australia, happy safe and healthy. ***

C3 !!! Oy! Guess who I thought of when I saw this post? I got your message about my rabies test, and I’ve been meaning to email you. I was waiting til I got more info from my vet, but she’s been on vacation all week. Glad to see you’re still around. I’ve been thinking of you all week! I’ll email you by tomorrow at the latest, if the offer still stands.

No 'blem. Glad to help. May I suggest that a phone call to the consulate would be in order.

Just checking in to say that all modern jet airliners have pressurized, heated cargo compartments to transport animals.

Older airplanes may or may not, depending on the model. Contacting the airline about what equipment will be used on the flight is highly recommended.

What Xema said is also correct - restrictions are placed on transporting animals in the summer because the temperature can’t be kept cool enough for them all the time while on the ground.

I think that you’re finding out that bureaucratic hassles are more of a problem than your cats physically surviving the journey.

Good luck!

Absolutely!