With our current leadership, I wouldn’t trust a jury in a MAGA region to decide a treason or insurrection case. Would you?
Treason, like history, is decided by the victors.
Thank goodness their crimes have been committed, in no small part, in DC, eh?
People say that, and yet so much of our history of the Civil War was in fact written by the losers and there subsequent adherents.
In other news, Christa Pike is still (not!?) dead.
That’ll teach victors not to be magnanimous; Just encourages the losers to Rise Again.
Next time: Scorched Earth. Here’s hoping we win. Not looking good at the moment.
Would you also have executed Washington, or is it different when you win? In a country that celebrates its insurrectionist founders, it’s a little more difficult to argue that such actions are always wrong.
Since she is incapacitated, who gets to make medical decisions on her behalf? Is it her legal next of kin, her attorney, or the state? And if it is the state, what’s to keep them from just deciding to go ahead and discontinue life support?
I oppose the death penalty. But this makes it seem less bad in her case. Apparently, we aren’t able to lock her up in a way that prevents her from seriously assaulting other human beings.
Yes. We punish traitors for crimes against the state. If they win and form a new state, they are not traitors and there is no crime in the state to which they are subject.
If Robert E. Lee didn’t want to raise is sword against Virginia and didn’t want to be hanged (or, most charitably, imprisoned for the remainder of his natural life) he should have stayed home.
This is the only time i can favor the death penalty- if life imprisonment does not stop them from killing or serious injuries. Even so- I am doubtful, but preventing another death solves some moral issues.
doesnt the state/fed have an obligation to uphold health and wellbeing of those deprived of liberty (prisoners,..) but also soldiers. I think they are higly limited to actively take a decision that would worsen her health to te degree of her dying …
maybe @Qadgop_the_Mercotan is around to offer perspective.
Or, per your reasoning, been successful at it. Which is my point: it’s only a crime if they lose, and they obviously do it because they think they WON’T lose.
As opposed to Christa Pike, whose crime was a crime regardless.
Ben Franklin said
“We must all hang together or we shall most assurededly all hang separately.”
Toranaga: There are no mitigating circumstances when it comes to rebellion against a soverign lord.
Blackthorne: Unless you win.
Toranaga (laughing): Yes. If you win, you are no longer a rebel. You are the leader.
You should have stopped typing then.
Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
Sir John Harington
In Wisconsin where I worked (and where there is no death penalty, thankfully) we encourage all our inmates to choose who they want to be their medical power of attorney (to be activated if they become incapacitated). They can choose family, friends, and even some volunteers from non profit groups involved in upholding inmate rights. The State really, really, REALLY does not want to be in the position of making such medical judgements for inmates.
This is the ideal way for it to happen, but all too many inmates don’t do this, often despite having grave progressive chronic diseases and regular meetings with social workers encouraging them to pick the power of attorney. So the State often has to come in when the inmate is no longer competent and get a Guardian ad Litem, a person appointed by a court to investigate and protect the best interests of a minor or an incapacitated person. Which is a real PITA to establish if things are deteriorating quick, but once it is established that person can make medical decisions for the inmate, based on what they perceive to be the inmate’s best interest.
Even then it can get sticky, because we’ve had times when the inmate left advanced directives of what they did or did not want done in case of incapacity, yet did not name a medical power of attorney. And we’ve had guardians ad litem in those situations who made decisions that were contrary to the advanced directives, when they thought that the inmate’s advanced directives did not make sense for the situation which arose. Which can result in more legal arguments. Oftentimes the patient dies before it’s all straightened out in those situations.
Glad I’m out of it.
Why did she try to murder someone in prison?
I don’t know. I’m not sure it matters. If our prisons are so badly run that it was self-defense, or the guards drove two women to injure each other, then forcing people to spend decades in prison is an evil comparable to the death penalty.
According to Gemini: