Tequila vs Mescal

While sipping tequila with my friends Jacinto, Hidalgo, and two other guys whose names I don’t seem to recall (my memory isn’t the best, even when I’m sober), we got comparing notes on what we know about tequila and mescal. I recognize that there is a word limit for the Straight Dope, but we have a few picky corrections and additions to the column on “worms in tequila.”

So Midwesterners say “hah!” after “purists” when referring to tequila/mescal drinkers. Cecil, Cecil, Cecil; what am I going to do with you? (A better question might be what will you *let" me do with you, but never mind that).

You were correct, at least, to say that tequila is an offshoot of mescal as opposed to the other way around. But mescal and tequila are completely different products in a number of ways. First of all they are made from different varieties of the agave plant. They are also cooked/processed differently, which I’ll get to in a minute.

Both have their origins in “Pulque” which is the original agave drink dating back around 2000 years. This is probably what Cecil was referring to when he described “home-brewed firewater” consumed by the locals. It can still be found - at least I found it in my college days - in rural, central Mexico but it’s not distilled, so isn’t exported out of the country that I know of. It’s pretty raw stuff, but you gotta consider the “ambiente” (atmosphere) in which it’s drunk to truly appreciate it.

Mescal is made elsewhere in Mexico, not just the Oaxaca area (though the superior brands - here’s where Cecil says “hah!” - tend to come from that region). But that does not define the difference between tequila and mescal, as Cecil claimed. In fact if I’m not mistaken, the whole Oaxaca connection is a fairly recent government marketing ploy to promote the Oaxaca region, using its connection to this traditional brew… kind of like Bourbon having to come from Kentucky to be called that. Tequila is steam baked and distilled twice, and mescal is cooked underground in stone pits with charcoal, giving it a distinctive smoky flavor. Until recently, mescal was only distilled once, but some companies are now distilling it twice, like tequila. Several companies have gone back to the traditional methods of making mescal; gathering and carrying agave plants on donkey back to the pits to cook. Encantado Mescal and the Del Maguey companies are two of these, and their products are considered among the best.

This Paez guy who introduced the worm to the mass market actually started doing this earlier than 1950, but started mass marketing it then. Yes, it was a marketing ploy, but he did believe that the worm gave mescal a special flavor. Some companies (and I think Paez started this, too) also tie a small bag to the bottle containing salt, spices, and some powdered worm to add more flavor to the beverage. Cecil mentioned that the “genuine agave worm” is coral colored and said that some companies substitute an inferior white worm. The red worm (gusano rojo) lives in the root of the agave and the white worm (gusano de oro) lives in the leaves. One popular mescal imported into the US is Dos Gusanos, which contains one of each of these worms. I don’t know of any taste test concluding that the red worm tastes better, though no doubt it is more attractive.

Let me know when you’re in New Mexico next, Cecil. I’ll buy you a drink and I’ll take the worm.
Jill

How cool is a chick who appreciates her Tequila! We gotta party sometime :wink:

[[I’ll take the worm.]] Jill
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[[:::Beavis and Butthead style laughter:::]]

You’re sick. And what could you Possibly be referring to, if we’re talking about Cecil here?
Jill

[[You’re sick. ]]
You’re just noticing that?

One of my college professors who spent several years in the 60’s and 70’s teaching in Mexico City told me a few things about tequila:

  1. The worm is in there to demonstrate the alcohol content. If it doesn’t rot, it’s not watered down.

  2. Tequila was cheaper than formaldehyde, so the university bio labs used booze to preserve specimens, e.g. fetal pigs, cats, maybe human bits too. Consequently, when the students got rambunctious, the first place to be secured were the labs, to prevent the rioters from drinking the specimen preservative. (Ewww).

Anecdotal, perhaps. Anyone care to confirm or deny?

[[Anecdotal, perhaps. Anyone care to confirm or deny?]]

I have also heard, from Mexican people, the theory that the worm is there to demonstrate the purity of the tequila. Of course any old rot gut would keep a worm from decomposing (avoiding, for now, the debate about whether all tequila is rot gut). I think this theory arose long after the practice, though. I forgot to mention earlier that I’ve eaten fried grubs in Latin America, and they taste a lot better when they’re crispy (with a sprinkling of salt)than when they are mescal-logged.
Jill

[[purity of the tequila]] Mescal, I meant dammit, mescal. You people…

Okay, I don’t know about Mescal, or Tequial…Well, the difference between them anyway. But I DO know about the worm part. It’s to test how strong the liquor is. If the worm is still wriggling by the time it gets to the bottom of the bottle, then it’s not real strong. But if it stops wriggling bout halfway down…Then it’s good strong stuff. Why those drunken guys were ordering the worm after they had already tasted the stuff puzzles me. They’re just loco gringos. I spose thats all I have to add to that.

Okay, I don’t know about Mescal, or Tequial…Well, the difference between them anyway. But I DO know about the worm part. It’s to test how strong the liquor is. If the worm is still wriggling by the time it gets to the bottom of the bottle, then it’s not real strong. But if it stops wriggling bout halfway down…Then it’s good strong stuff. Why those drunken guys were ordering the worm after they had already tasted the stuff puzzles me. They’re just loco gringos. I spose thats all I have to add to that.

Jill - I’m wondering now if pulque is not distilled, how does it achieve “firewater” status? What’s the alcohol content of this stuff?

I think that worm is in there so brave souls have a method whereby they can encourage their drinking companions to gag and retch.

I was told by my high school Latin teacher many years ago (why this subject would come up in Latin class I don’t know) that Mezcal is more than just an alcoholic beverage. True Mezcal, which he told us was prohibited from being imported into the USA, contained traces hallucinogenic substances related to Mescaline, from which latter got its name. As for the worm, he claimed it had something to do with fermentation, but having gone on to college, and done quite well in science (Straight As, and I was History Major) I would doubt that, as yeast causes fermentation.

I can’t vouch for the accuracy of this information, and I’d hate to propogate a myth over the internet, but heck, if I didn’t someone else would anyway. perhaps Cecil or his Trusty Staff could look into this.

John, aka The Pilot of the Airwaves

[[I’m wondering now if pulque is not distilled, how does it achieve “firewater” status?]] Nickerz

I don’t know how alcoholic a beverage needs to be for it to be considered “firewater,” but pulque is fermented.
[[ What’s the alcohol content of this stuff?]]
I believe it’s somewhere around the level of a strong ale or a not-so-strong wine.

<< {{ [[I’ll take the worm.]] Jill

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You’re sick. And what could you Possibly be referring to, if we’re talking about Cecil here? >> JillyGat
I just noticed the following passage in your initial post, Jill. :slight_smile:

“Cecil, Cecil, Cecil; what am I going to do with you? (A better question might be what will you *let” me do with you, but never mind that)."
Huh huh … huh huh … huh huh …

  1. Never having been to Mexico or interviewed tequila/mezcal producers, I only know what I read in the papers, but I have usually seen the explanation presented that “tequila” is a form of mezcal from the “Tequila” region of Mexico (much like champagne is different from other sparkling wines because it is made in the Champagne region of France). I make no other representations as to differences in production – all I know is that different good mezcals can have very different tastes.

  2. According to this site (http://www.mezcal.com/worms.html), the worm is not traditional at all per se (although it traditionally wound up in some batches because it sometimes infests the plants), and is mainly a relatively recent marketing gimmick, although it does alter the taste of the mezcal. Take it for what it’s worth, but it sure sounds plausible.

[[I’m wondering now if pulque is not distilled, how does it achieve “firewater” status? What’s the alcohol content of this stuff?]] - Nickrz

[[I don’t know how alcoholic a beverage needs to be for it to be considered “firewater,” but pulque is fermented.]] - Big Iron
I’ve never come across a definition of firewater - so I just assumed it meant the stuff that “burns” going down. Many (but not necessarily all) distilled/high-proof drinks will do that - but I suppose other things could cause the same effect, depending what’s in them. Any pulque-drinkers want to chime in?

As for being fermented, does anyone know of an alcoholic (i.e. ethanol) drink that isn’t? Perhaps you were confusing “distilled” with “fermented,” Big Iron? Else I’m just confused myself…and your response has revealed that fact yet again.

Anyone here who drinks tequila or mescal for the “burn” as much as the sweet, sweet taste…might want to try Mao Tai, 110 to 120 proof and about the closest thing to raw Diesel #2 I’ve ever ingested. But you can get used to it, around the third “toast”…

[[Jill - I’m wondering now if pulque is not distilled, how does it achieve “firewater” status? What’s the alcohol content of this stuff?]] Nickrz

I’m still looking for an answer for you on this. I would guess that pulque is similar to wine in alcohol content. It can’t be exported, because it only “lasts” a few days after fermentation. It’s pretty unstable stuff, and gets sour pretty fast. I can’t explore this for you personally, because women are not allowed in pulquerias (even though one legend has it that an Aztec woman was the first to discover such uses of the maguey agave plant juices).

[[As for being fermented, does anyone know of an alcoholic (i.e. ethanol) drink that isn’t? Perhaps you were confusing “distilled” with “fermented,” Big Iron? ]]
Nope, I’m pretty sure pulque is fermenterd, not distilled. I suppose some stuff is fermented before and later on also distilled,

[[Nope, I’m pretty sure pulque is fermenterd, not distilled. I suppose some stuff is fermented before and later on also distilled]]

Yes, most alcoholic beverages such as brandy, etc., are fermented, then distilled. Distillation, I believe, is a process of heating and condensation. Because the beverage is condensed, the alcohol content is higher. Mezcal is usually distilled once, and tequila is usually distilled twice or even three times.

[[Jill - I’m wondering now if pulque is not distilled, how does it achieve “firewater” status? What’s the alcohol content of this stuff?]] Nickrz

{{I’m still looking for an answer for you on this. I would guess that pulque is similar to wine in alcohol content. }} Jill

Two tequila/mezcal sites I visited said pulque was comparable in alcohol content to a not-so-strong wine.

A book in my possesion, however (“A Guide to Tequila, Mezcal, and Pulque” by Virginia B. de Barrios, from Minitiae Mexicana publications), describes pulque as having alcoholic content “no higher than that of mild beer.” I would guess that it can vary significantly from batch to batch.

The book also notes that tequila is a variant of mezcal and takes it’s name from one of the towns where it is made. Wile only one species of maguey will produce true tequila, it says, there are a number of species that will make good mezcals