Maybe the poor bastard was me, and I’m still pissed that you didn’t go to jail.
There’s a former governor from South Dakota who went to jail for doing the same thing that Laura Bush did, speeding through a stop sign and killing somebody. She wasn’t even given a drunk test. She was just hustled home and babied like she was the victim. How do we really even know it was an accident? I make no such assumption.
Ah, but Schwarzengger has at least five things going for him that makes him palatable to the Republicans:
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He speaks with an Austrian accent rather than a Portugese one which sounds a bit too close to French to some undiscerning American ears.
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He’s been in the public spotlight since the 70’s so people are more familiar with him than they are with THK.
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He did all those kick-ass action movies! That proves he’s not some effete Eurotrash snob.
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He’s a Republican, damn it!
and–most important–
- HE’S A MAN!
THK apologized. Karen Hughes real job, however, is being a professional liar. Now she claims THK said that being a mother isn’t a real job. But, of course, THK didn’t say THAT either.
All THK originally even said was a ramble about how she didn’t know whether Laura had a job, but that they were different women… which even she wasn’t clear had any real point. It was a rambly answer to a pointless question. This is now worse than a non-story: it shows how desperate the Bush team is for any sort of purchase against the Kerrys.
Well, if you were the guy I hit, tell me how the accident happened and where it happened and when it happened, then. :rolleyes:
You don’t know anything about Laura Bush’s accident other than the bare facts, and you don’t know anything about mine other than what I’ve told you. The thing that both our accidents have in common is that we broke the law behind the wheel, and we were both young women. In my case, the cops had mercy on me partly because (I believe) I obviously was distraught, didn’t try to make excuses for the accident, and I wasn’t drunk. There were also witnesses who saw my accident. I don’t know the details of the Laura Bush accident, but times were different back then, and police (perhaps) could use their discretion more back then. I don’t know much about her accident or why things panned out the way that they did. It was many years ago.
Yeah, one person was killed, one wasn’t. I can see how those facts can be confusing and you can think them similar. Obviously you’re not letting facts getting in the way of your strawman.
“Discretion?”
If the perp is a “distraught young woman” she should get special treatment?
Fuck that.
You must live in that other America that John Edwards keeps talking about.
Do you think if Hillary Clinton had killed somebody with her car then had it hushed up and taken care of the way Laura Bush did that the Republicans might have made any hay out of it?
That and the fact that you don’t sound the least bit remorseful, rolling your icon eyes and the very of widdow owe you having to go to court for a crime you committed.
I’ve already explained that I don’t know and you don’t either, when it comes to the details of Laura Bush’s accident. I stated the similarities, without claiming that the situtations were identical. My point is that the perhaps the police used the discretion for reasons you are not privy to (and neither am I).
You don’t know the details of my accident (but of course it didn’t stop you from making assholish comments about it). You don’t know why the police didn’t throw the book at me. We don’t know all the details of Laura Bush’s accident, or the climate of the law back then, or how much “discretion” the police could use back then. You don’t know, I don’t know. But of course, it doesn’t stop you from making comments and assumptions. I simply say I don’t know, but I sure as hell am not going to hint that perhaps the accident was deliberate (which, it seems, some here have come close to doing).
I don’t know, and neither do you. Perhaps her record was clean (as mine was). Perhaps she was a relatively new driver (as I was). Perhaps the witness(es) had valuable testimony (as I believe, mine did). Perhaps her general demeanor contributed in some way (which it may have in my case—don’t know). Perhaps the family of the victim had some influence (not the case with me). Who knows? I don’t think that you do, and I sure as hell know that I do not.
One of my friends is a policeman and he has talked about using his judgment or discretion while on the job. Don’t know if all policemen are able to use their discretion, or to what extent. Don’t know. But I am not going to assume the absolute worst of someone for something that happened 40 years ago, when times were different. Don’t know, don’t know, don’t know.
Perhaps because I have been in an accident (though in my case the victim was definitely okay) I have different feelings about this issue. I rarely talk about this accident—I never talked about it for years. I think I’ve pretty much done talking about it now, actually. I sure as hell don’t want a bunch of asshole strangers with their own agenda speculating on my accident years after it happened, especially since they know only scant details about what went down. It doesn’t stop people from speculating and making veiled accusations, does it?
And in preview I see this:
See, this is the kind of asshole stuff I’m talking about. What the hell do you know about my situation? NOTHING. NOTHING. You know nothing about how I felt, what I went through, how badly hurt (or not) the fellow I hit was. You don’t know if I knocked him down and put him in the hospital for a week, or if I bumped him ever so barely so he only stepped back a few steps and didn’t even fall down. YOU DON’T KNOW but yet you’re going to be an asshole about it.
It is not the job of a police officer to decide if you are or are not guilty of a crime. If a cop gets you out of something that doesn’t mean you didn’t do anything wrong, it means somebody else got fucked out some justice.
There is no dispute that Laura was speeding, she went through a stop sign and she killed somebody? What else is there to know? I don’t gibve a fuck about her clean record. A clean record does not entitle you to kill somebody with your car. Being a “distraught young woman” does not entitle you to kill someone with your car. Bring friends with the cops does not entitle you to kill someone with your car.
I DO know all the relevant facts about Laura Bush’s vehicular manslaughter. She got away reckless behavior that resulted in the loss of a human life.
I wonder what would have happened to a poor Hispanic male who did the same thing?
Why be so coy about it? Why don’t you just tell us what you did? Did you go barrelling through a stop sign at 50 miles an hour? That’s what Laura Stepford did.
Yosemite, your constant and annoying refrains of ‘you don’t know what happened with me’ is really tiresome. You don’t wanna tell us? Fucking fine with me, just shut the fuck up about it. The net result of your incident is irrelevent anyway since it didn’t end up with a corpse.
My post, #38, went into detail about the facts of Laura Welch’s accident. It included, time, date, location, participants, automobiles, a missed stopsign, and a dead boyfriend. The speed was not listed. But, plenty o’ facts there.
I’m sorry if you feel we’ve been pissy, Yosemite, but first – well, look at how you come off. You admit to committing a crime, say you got off, and feel that the world is fair because of it. To me, it came off as extremely insensitive and self-centered. I reacted in pit fashion.
Second, you exacerbate things by suggesting you should have gotten off because you were young and female and distraught. This suggests that you believe you rightfully got special treatment at the “discretion” of the police.
Now you go into a huge rant about how we don’t know the details. Why should we know the details? We know the facts. You hit someone, and you got off, and you sound smug about it.
If you even said once in that rant, “I felt like shit about it,” it might be different. However, you express no remorse, just a deep feeling of satisfaction and all-is-right-with-the-world because you got away with it. Now you feel like YOU’RE the victim.
Nevertheless, I will stop harassing you about it.
Does the family of the victim feel that way? Have they stepped forward? Have they stated that they felt that they got “fucked out of some justice”? I think that they are more in a position to state their feelings—not you, not me.
Look—she could have been a completely wreckless little twit. So could I. Or maybe not. You don’t know, you weren’t there. Neither was I.
You seem so determined to believe the worst of this woman and of this accident, just as some here seem be determined to think the worst of me and my accident. It won’t wash. None of you were a witness to my accident. None of you knew me back then. None of you know jack shit. None of you know jack shit about what kind of person Laura Bush was back then, either. All that we know (unless some new information crops up) is that Laura Bush hasn’t ever caused the death of someone else while behind the wheel. (And, by the way, I’ve never had another accident—of any kind—knock on wood.)
And in preview, I see that I am delighted from another post from stpauler:
Then why do some of you continue to make asshole assumptions about what you don’t know, and obviously never knew? That’s why I kept on having to repeat that refrain.
You know, you’re the one that wants to drag it out, making assumptions about what happened. Discussions of my accident didn’t have to go anywhere—you people could just stop making asshole assumptions about it.
Just more examples of asshole assumptions. You certainly have a vivid imagination if you think that I was saying that the “world was fair” because of what happened, or that I “should have” gotten off because I was young and female. Or that I didn’t feel like shit about it, or anything. (What part of “distraught” doesn’t sound like “feeling like shit”? Can you not read?)
Gah. Forget it. You are past hope. How you get all of this shit from some relatively brief posts, short on detail, is beyond me. Just continue to think the worst of people with whom you disagree, and start making up shit from your imagintion based on zero information. It’s working great for you so far. :rolleyes:
What assumptions have I made? Oh, the one where you said that the person you hit was “okay” I assumed that that meant that you didn’t kill the person. Yeah, maybe you can clear up that “assumption”. By “okay”, did you mean that he’s dead or that he’s alive?
:wally
What Heinz-Kerry said was a snipe at Bush. Her quote there, even without reading anything into it, was what I’d consider smug.
Course there’s no law that says I have to consider Heinz-Kerry to be a nice person.
What on earth reason, other than being nasty, was there for Heinz-Kerry to even use the words ‘grown up’?
I wasn’t the first person in this thread to wonder if by saying ‘grown-up’ Heinz-Kerry meant ‘after getting married and having kids.’
If there’s one thing Heinz-Kerry does need to learn, it’s to stop talking aimlessly when she has already admitted she doesn’t know the facts.
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I particularly said “some of you” have made, not you specifically. Sorry if you felt I was accusing you specifically. That was not my intent.
And yes, the guy was definitely okay, as in “alive.” :rolleyes:
I’m not giving any more details. Gah. I was monumentally stupid to assume that people wouldn’t be assholes about something like this, given the chance. I didn’t talk about it for years (obviously because I felt like shit about it—even though the guy was definitely okay) and I’m going back to not talking about it, even in the most general, vague terms.
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Get over yourself. You’re calling everyone assholes, and I explained how you come off, and you just go right back to calling us assholes, and acting like you’re the victim. I have no pity for you. None.
Ack! And I usually preview. Obviously that first comment is a reply to your most recent comment towards me, stpauler.
You’ve got that right. And I actually like Heinz-Kerry, but this was a boneheaded comment that needn’t ever have been made.