Tesla Cybertruck

So some guy ordered a cybertruck on a whim and it ends up that it doesn’t fit in the parking space at his apartment complex. It did when he ordered it but then he moved.

Nothing much interesting there but he’s in a bit of a bind because the contract doesn’t allow him to re-sell it for at least a year. Tesla won’t let him break that contract based on the circumstances, won’t take it back and won’t let him trade it for a different model.

Maybe it was mentioned already upthread but I had no idea that he wasn’t allowed to resell.

We went over this a little bit. These types of contracts aren’t too uncommon for low-volume vehicles. The contract says this:

It seems pretty petty on the part of Tesla to refuse a resale in this case since he obviously isn’t trying to flip it for a profit. But maybe he just needs to be more persistent and contact someone higher up.

The contract mentions a right of first refusal, so perhaps he needs to ask them to buy the car back.

I mean, plenty of people are selling their cybertrucks in flagrant violation of the provision, the market is extremely liquid and the clearing price is approaching the retail price which is an indication that the pre-order queue is almost exhausted.

In reality, Tesla is not going to actually sue anyone who sells their cybertruck, the bad PR fallout far outweighs any benefit they would receive. The only real lever they have is the nebulous promise that they can find the people who are reselling and ban them from buying future Teslas.

Tesla arrogantly assumed that demand for the Cybertruck would be so high that the market price for them would be $200 - $300K for multiple years and therefore it became a status symbol to those who owned them that they had an “in” with Tesla which would self-reinforcingly justify the price. They thought they could play with the big boy luxury manufacturers who don’t even let you buy one of their special edition cars unless you’ve bought several of their lower tier cars first, hence the language about how they’ll sever their relationship with you if you have the temerity to let go of your car for mere money.

Instead, the opposite is happening. The initial cybertruck resale market was fairly quiet as people were afraid of the resale provision but as the sale prices started drifting lower and lower, all of the speculators who bought the car as an investment rather than to drive realized that Tesla couldn’t sue them all and started fleeing towards the exit before their cars became massively depreciated, dropping the price even further and reinforcing the feedback loop.

The thing is, apart from a small minority of people, even very wealthy people making a $100K purchase decision are very influenced by depreciation projections. If you put your name in the queue for a cybertruck 4 years ago and think you can buy it for $100K now and sell it for $120K 4 years later, then, in your mind, you’re basically driving a truck for free so why not take advantage of your place in the queue. If you think you’re buying it now for $100K and and it’s going to be $45K in 4 years, then why the fuck am I in the queue, lemme just wait a few months to buy it retail when I have more info.

Given that we know exactly how many cybertrucks are on the road now (given they had to recall all of them for the steering pedal issue) and how many pre-orders Tesla is boasting about, and how close the 2nd hand price is to the retail price, I’m imagining they’re seeing horrific numbers of people choose not to take delivery and the queue shrinking at an alarming rate every single day.

The problem for Tesla is that perception can become reality very severely. Part of your calculus for buying a cybertruck is how many people you think will want a used cybertruck at the time you’re prepared to sell it and if you think it’s not many, then you won’t buy it, leading to other people to perceive noone wants it leading to even less people buying it. Fisker just faced this same challenge where news of their instability meant that plenty of people started dumping their Fiskers because they didn’t want to deal with a car from a bankrupt company which meant that more people interested in Fiskers were picking them up on the used market which meant that it was hard to move new Fiskers which lead to further bad press until they ultimately went insolvent.

While I agree, it’s not unheard of:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a13994822/john-cena-sued-for-selling-ford-gt/

In a lawsuit filed yesterday, Ford Motor Company alleges Cena broke the contract and flipped his few-weeks old GT—which carries an MSRP north of $450,000—for a large profit.

Cybertrucks aren’t exactly as rare as Ford GTs, though. And they really only care about flipping for a profit.

That seems pretty different. Tesla isn’t going bankrupt anytime soon. They have some challenges, but are still profitable, and China is really the only competition–but the US at least isn’t going to let that be a threat (one place where Tesla actually benefits from the rest of the industry wanting trade restrictions). Even if the Cybertruck were discontinued or whatever, they’d still be supported. Unlike Fisker’s vehicles.

I didn’t even think to look. There are a few for sale near me at around retail price. The article made it look like he was in a Kafkaesque nightmare when he can just post it on autotrader. Why the hell did he go to the press?

Raddon told BI that he’s a rule-follower and he doesn’t plan to go against Tesla’s verdict on the matter or hire a lawyer to dispute the decision.

Saw one on the road today. Didn’t get a real good look, but you could tell it was all cloudy and tarnished. Looked like hell.

I mean, the real takeaway from that article is that this guy bought a Cybertruck, and then he and his wife separated. There’s nothing that vehicle can’t do!

Sounds like a country song waiting to happen.

i’d be crying in my beer as well …

I have such confused feelings about this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1d6nbb4/cybertruck_pride_west_hollywood_ca/

Regarding the guy who bought a Cybertruck but found it wouldn’t fit in his apartment parking spot, Business Insider reports that Tesla refused to let him return or resell it and threatened to sue him for $50,000 in damages. This sort of thing doesn’t really encourage me to consider any of their vehicles.

It was specifically in the contract and they only do that for the Cybertruck. This is standard for limited quantity high end vehicles for pretty much all companies that make them. It’s not a Tesla thing. In addition, there are plenty of Cybertrucks for sale in the used vehicle market. This guy just decided to make a stink.

216 Cybertrucks for sale in the US on AutoTrader

2018 article listing several cars with the same restriction

Not that I have even the slightest appreciation for this truck but I can’t think of any vehicle that would withstand slamming a hood or trunk on a finger.

Considering there were exactly 3,878 Cybertrucks on the road as of 19th of April (date of the mass recall), it’s kind of amazing that close to 5% of all Cybertrucks ever made are available for sale 2nd hand right now.

I wonder if there’s any other vehicle in existence that has such a high percentage available for sale simultaneously.

Just scrolling through the posts on auto trader, it looks to me that they are all significantly marked up above what they were likely bought for new. Just seems like smart arbitrage to me.

But are they selling?

Even if the reality is that 5% of Cybertrucks are trying (and currently failing) to be flipped by investors who have no interest in the vehicle itself, that’s fairly remarkable.

Clearly arbitrage (which is what Tesla doesn’t want) but not necessarily smart.

I mean, fair point. Let’s see how many sell.

ETA But, looking at the first page of ads sorted from all the newest, all but one of them are being sold by auto dealers with essentially no mileage on them. So maybe dumb arbitrage, but i’m not sure it has anything to do with dissatisfied owners, at least based on that sample. Unless every single one of those dissatisfied owners immediately sold it to a dealer.