Yes, backpedaling. Thank you. I was hung up on trying to pull that word off the tip of my tongue.
So, you don’t think he should be thrown in jail and have his career ruined? Just to be sure before I acknowledge that you didn’t just backpedal now, but earlier in the thread.
Please :rolleyes: Who’s backpedaling now? You accuse me of backpedaling on whether or not what Bieze did was legal, and then move the goalposts to something else when I prove I wasn’t. Your posts in this thread have been nothing but one non sequitur and strawman after another, and you’ve ignored every source and opinion (including professional ones) that doesn’t agree with your pre-determined conclusion. Drop the high-road charade, girl.
Boy, please explain why you think that someone who did not break the law or perform their job outside the guidelines as directed should go to jail, have their career ruined, and never have a job of any authority outside of mopping the floor. I am honestly curious as to why you feel this strongly about someone who simply didn’t do their job the way that YOU think they should. You, boy, who has clearly not been trained to do said job, have no idea what the standard operating procedures are, and have not ever performed said job for even one hour in your life. With this wealth of experience and insight, you’d really and truly incarcerate this person who followed the procedures set forth by their department?
I’ve scanned through the whole thread twice, Cisco, and you never made any such acknowledgment. So I’d reiterate that it’s very clear you believed the cop’s behavior was illegal when you asserted at the very outset that he ought to be thrown in jail and have his career ruined. You haven’t taken back that position, nor even acknowledged it as “somewhat” hyperbolic.
So. Your position then and presumably now is that the cop ought to be in jail for what he did. Care to defend it?
Koxinga: Good at attacking strawmen. Bad at reading.
Umm…you? You couldn’t possibly mean me. I’ve pretty much suggested much ado about nothing from the get-go. In fact, the whole taser controversy is much ado about nothing and I backed that up with cites. What cites do I get in return? Media stirring up trouble and anti-police propaganda.
NoJustice tries to say I never backed up opinion. Now, you’re saying my opinion has changed? That’s just rich. You two are just grasping at straws, now. Please show me a strawman that I introduced. Can you even say with a straight face that you didn’t come in here with a pre-determined conclusion?
Oh, make no mistake. It’s not a charade. I’ve got the high road on this one.
How 'bout you cut it out with the strawmen and ad homs, like, now. I’m not a boy. I was being at least somewhat hyperbolic when I said the cop should go to jail. So I’ve said it now, ok? Back the hell off this throwaway comment that I made on page 1 (almost 500 posts ago) before I knew what a shitstorm this was going to be. It was only brought up as a distraction from an indefensible claim that about my beliefs on the legality of Bieze’s actions. It’s hand-waving.
Um, how about “no”? The post you’re referencing doesn’t make any more sense than it did when you made it.
So, once again. Your position at the beginning of this thread was is that the cop ought to be in jail for what he did. Care to defend it?
ETA: Oh, I see now that you’ve finally made the backpedalling you claimed already to have made. OK, so jail is “somewhat hyperbolic.” What do you suggest? Probation? Community service?
You’re a joke. You can’t bring yourself to admit how wrong you were in post #436, can you? Just don’t have the intellectual guts to do it, huh?
And for the record, no, I can’t say with any face that I didn’t come in here with a pre-determined conclusion, because I did, and I’ve said so several times. My conclusion was determined when I watch the video. I’m not so sure yours wasn’t determined before that. You’ve painted yourself, by your actions in this thread, almost fanatically pro-taser.
“OK, OK, just give me the fucking ticket and I’ll sign it” 
Starting to understand why foul-mouthed granny resonates with you.
More distraction. More hand-waving. You just can’t admit you were wrong further up this page, can you? That’s why you brought this up.
Edit: Futher up page 9
So wait a minute, you can be disrespectful to Brown Eyed Girl by referring to her simply as ‘girl’ but I can’t call you ‘boy’? Puhhhleeeze don’t tell me that you were just shortening her name because that’s about the same caliber of stuff you’re shoveling throughout the rest of this thread.
“Back the hell off” ? and cut it out “like, now” huh? My, my. Don’t you think it would work much better if you were to calmly and respectfully ASK me to back off and not use such a strong tone and blah blah blah the other garbage you were throwing at the police officer? You are a fine one to criticize anyone for how they talk to people.
How am I to know that you make throwaway comments in Great Debates? Is this something you do on a regular basis or just for this special occasion? Also, since the “proof” you gave Koxinga (your response to Jodi) was supposed to cover all of the ridiculous nonsense you’ve spouted here maybe you should make it your signature line so everyone can know that you’re prone to hyperbole and throwaway comments and therefore we can dismiss anything you say without taking it seriously even a tiny bit.
Also, how about explaining what intellectual guts are? I’m fascinated.
Because you say so. Gotcha. I guess calling you butterflies would be an insult too, if it was convenient, huh?
It’s really not my fault if you can’t tell the difference between a throwaway #4 response and the deep discussion that ensues pages and pages later. Sorry I cannot sum up ~80 posts in a few sentences that would satisfy all of you guys-- and if I bothered, you’d just move the goal posts again like Koxinga and Brown Eyed Girl did towards the end of page 9.
Much like the cop’s aggression in the video, this is pointless.
The fact that the Sheriff and Sgt. Major’s words were largely ignored and hand-waved in this thread makes it pretty obvious that you guys are just turning up the juice out of embarassment of the situation not being as cut and dry as you tried desperately for 8 pages to make it out to be. Give it up. It’s ok not to be 100% right 100% of the time. You’ll live to see tomorrow.
When other policemen are acknowledging that he could’ve handled the situation better, you can acknowledge it too. No one will think less of you.
Was I wrong? Yes, I said backtracking when I clearly meant backpedaling, but you corrected me. Thanks ever so much.
Why because I can review scientific studies and facts and come to a conclusion that isn’t based in rabid hatred of the police force? Silly me. Your conclusion was determined when you heard there was yet another video of a taser incident. Oh noes! I’ll bet the rat bastard cop killed her! My default position is that tasers are a safer tool for law enforcement than the billy club and less lasting than pepper spray. Upon seeing the video, I determined that once again the taser is deployed safely and effectively thereby reinforcing my default position.
Let me know when you find your study that contradicts mine. In the meantime, why don’t you actually trying reading my cites?
The integrity to say “I am sorry. I called you out on something that wasn’t true,” instead of moving the goalposts and not acknowledging that you were definitively proven wrong.
Can’t bring yourself to do it, can you? Does it physically hurt or something? Why are you having so much trouble?
More and more strawmen and non sequiturs. I’ve said multiple times in this thread that I have friends and family on the force, I generally have no problems with police or authority, and there are lots and lots of situations where a taser’s use is justified. You just can’t help yourself from misrepresenting me though, can you?
You mean just like you don’t have? We’re supposed to be mind readers and know what you mean and what you don’t mean? This isn’t The Pit. This isn’t IMHO, this is Great Debates and I expect that people say what they mean and mean what they say here. Apparently, you don’t. That’s good to know for the future.
You’re right, any interaction between us is truly pointless because I don’t expect people to throw stupid comments around that they don’t mean when they’re discussing points in a forum where facts and ideas are debated. You, on the other hand, post whatever rolls around in your head that fits the situation so you can throw up your hands later and shout “hyperbole!” Gotcha, understood.
The point is, the comment is irrelevant 500 posts later. Did I mean it at the time? I don’t even remember. It was an initial emotional reaction to something that pissed me off. If someone wanted to discuss it, it should’ve been brought up then, and not as a distraction when someone is proven wrong and can’t own up to it.
I’m wrong all the time. The difference is I acknowledge it, try to do better next time, and get on with my life. People like Koxinga and Brown Eyed Girl try to hand-wave and distract from it, and stomp their feet and insist they weren’t wrong after being repeatedly called to task on it.
But this is a meta-argument now. The thread was effectively over when I posted the county Sheriff and Bieze’s Sgt Major’s opinions that he could’ve handle the situation better. That’s what you could essentially boil my argument down, for the last several pages if nothing else, and they agree with me. The few people left here are just trying to prove (to themselves, apparently) that they’re not “wrong”. I acknowledged that this was an opinion thing for me, and not a “right or wrong” thing, a long time ago.
Yes… arresting her serves that purpose. The taser does not. We’ve been through this already haven’t we?
You know you’re repeating… so why not just go back and read what I wrote last time.
Agreed. But nobody has demonstrated that using the taser, for the sake of expediency or because of your “latitude of being a human being” fall within those paramaters. Furthermore, even if it were to be demonstrated that it falls within those parameters, I have repeatedly given reasons why I believe this shouldn’t be the case, in the form of inevitable sequiturs which you yourself have called ridiculous without denying (or apparently understanding that I was claiming) that it is indeed an inevitable sequitur.
Idunno… that granny seems a lot less trusting of authority than she was before being tased for no reason. And as long as people expect to receive an on the spot trial, sentencing and corporal punishment any time an officer doesn’t like their attitude, it’s going to make all law enforcement a much more difficult job. I’d call that lasting effects.
HA! HA ha hahaha! You’re a raving lunatic who utterly fails at reading comprehension. That wasn’t the opinion I was speaking of. Which should have been obvious both from my quote of you above my comment and from the fact that you should know perfectly well which opinions you’ve refused to back up.
At this point I have no choice but to come right out and ask… Do you even know what my opinion is? I’ve stated precious few here. What I have done is post inevitable logical sequiturs to the unsupported claims posted here. Sequiturs which you yourself have called asinine without denying (or apparently understanding that I was claiming) that it is indeed an inevitable sequitur to the claims you have made.
Such careful wording. I’d even go so far as to call it consciousness of guilt. That’s not what I claimed and you know it. Does anyone here see how disingenuous this is?
Oh I could spend hours listing them all… Let’s just start with 2 for now ok? Because I’ve already quoted them. Look up… nope not past the top of this post… See them there? One of them starts with maniacal laughter, and the other starts with my name. See them now? Yeah you’re arguing against things I never said.
I dunno about anyone else but I CAN! Note once again I’ve posted precious few opinions. What I have posted are logical sequiturs to the claims made in this thread. How could that have been predetermined? You’re gonna go all hawking on me now aren’t ya 
That’s ridiculous. There are other cops, including his boss, that say differently. Why can’t you agree with them?