Cite?
I actually am sort of confused.
lissener, a gay man who (I’m assuming here) has had to deal with hatred, prejudice, bigotry and general ignorance his whole life has ran out of patience and has basically said “Fine - you wanna be bigots - be my guest - I’m tired of your rhetoric.” and somehow he’s the bad guy?
Very confusing. FWIW - I understand exactly what you’re saying lissener and tend to agree with your stance. It’s not your job to enlighten people, it’s your job to live your life and bravo for doing so.
Cite?
I said this oh…11 posts back, with a link to where you said it.
In this very thread:
I couldn’t find the “ignorant” comment, so I retract that portion of my statement. It seems I attributed that to you when other’s said it. Apologies for that.
You missed this one, which I wrote in response to you, but you chose to ignore:
Yeah, count me as not getting this either. It really seems like folks are asking for more patience than is reasonable. How many times should we expect someone to have the same conversation with the same results before they say the hell with it?
Oh, shoot…what I meant was, we’d adopt and deal with the pain of not being able to have our own biological children. I didn’t mean to say that adoption would be (per se) painful; I was referring to the disastrous feelings of not being able to have kids of one’s own.
Thanks.
See, everybody? I AM educating.
No, he’s taken to spewing crap at everyone under the guise of “be my guest,” then being offended when he’s called on spewing crap at allies of his cause, because they aren’t allies enough or something. But if he wants to hurt gay people, he can go right ahead. People like him make me not care at all about gay rights, and i am not the only one. And turning people off of an issue is a hell of a lot easier than turning them on.
That makes you a homophobe. A homophobe with a convenient excuse, but a homophobe nonetheless.
Blaming me for your not caring at all about gay rights is the rankest bullshit.
yes, i’m such a homophobe i live in fucking San Francisco and am going partying tonight in Castro with all the gay people. Damn homophobes like me that go partying with gays. Damn them to hell!
You fucking moron. You stab all gay men in the back with each post you type here.
Sure, and that much is okay; he has no need of tolerating or accepting the idiocy of others, he should not be expected to patiently fight ignorance. It’s not his job.
He should, however, be expected to behave in a civil manner to those who behave in a civil manner to him. Is that really so difficult to understand?
Tars, I used to have a friend.
She’s a racist and a bigot. She believes that the people being held in Guantanamo Bay don’t deserve a minimum level of human rights as prescribed by the Geneva Convention, because they’re not white.
I’ve known her for a long time. She has consistently spewed things like that. I have corrected her again and again. She doesn’t get it.
A few months ago I quit returning her calls. She’s left messages demanding an explanation. I’m refusing to engage her anymore. Nothing that I could say to her on the issue is going to change her mind, and frankly I’m tired of wasting my breath. Should I have the misfortune to see her, I would tell her that she’s an idiot.
Guess what? It doesn’t mater. If I call her an idiot or try to educate her about her ignorance, she persists with her bigoted behaviour. She is not worth my time. If that means I’m spewing crap, so be it.
Do you see my point? At all?
Yeah, some of my best friends are faggots. :rolleyes:
Just because I won’t let YOU dictate the terms of this debate? If there’s any of my ass left over after Mr. B is done with it, it has your name on it.
Tars, he never said, “Be my guest.” He said he’s going to fight tooth and nail for his rights. Who can blame him? Turn the tables for a second and see what your reaction would be.
And FWIW, I don’t consider spewing hateful, crap civil behaviour, irrespective of how politely it’s worded.
If someone says to me, in a calm and even tone that “In their humble opinion, gays are all going to burn in hell because of their sins.”, they’re not being civil - they’re being an asshole. I will gladly tell them as much.
I agree 100%. As long we agree that this–[ul]
“Respectfully, lissener, I don’t mind homosexuals as long as they don’t display their homosexuality in public. Frankly, I love going to the gay bars–they have the best music!–but ultimately, my religion teaches me that, as sad as it sincerely makes me to say so, you will go to hell unless you abstain, or repent of your sins. I’m sorry, but that’s just my opinion.”[/ul]
–is not a “civil” statement.
Oips. Alice beat me to it.
Well, maybe I can shed some light on why this is not correct. If I’ve had a problem with a certain group of people’s beliefs, and they’ve not been nice to me, then does it make it right for me to not be nice to anyone who I’d brand as being from that certain group of people? Of course not. Otherwise I could justify any wrong treatment of women as acceptable, as I had a woman do this, or I could justify any wrong treatment of cops because I saw a cop do this.
As for his running out of patience, that would be true if someone like me, who is seen as an enemy, were to start threads attacking him. But it seems to be the other way around. Is it then wrong for anyone who doesn’t agree with him to, who is also tired to dealing with hatred, prejudice, and general ignorance to act the same way? And if he’s tired of dealing with these bigots, then what would want to make him to start a thread baiting these bigots? You may want to insulate yourself from them, not isolate or alienate, as then no one is able to understand the points made.
He’s not fighting tooth and nail, he’s fragging his own troops. And you’re applauding him for it. Acting like this accomplishes nothing of value and i would not waste my time with it. Homophobe has been thrown around on this board so often it is meaningless, and i am proud to have been called on in this thread, as it means i don’t follow lissener’s fucked up view of life. Oh, boo-hoo, life isn’t perfect. Attacking pro-gay people because they think you are going about your efforts the wrong way is not the way to do things. lissener’s posts in this thread are why there will NOT be gay marriage for another 50 years, idiots like him make the swing people pissed off enough they’ll vote it down out of spite. As that seems to be his goal, i can only assume he is either a straight troll or very fucking stupid.
Oops, incomplete sentance:
…doesn’t agree with him to be rude and condescending, who is…