Thank you Tubadiva, for editing out a certain posters immature nasty comment to me in the pit. Didn’t expect that. Thanks!
Is it time to once again review what is allowed and what isn’t allowed in The Pit?
“… makes her sound like…” IMO is not the same as calling someone something I can’t post here or it will be deleted.
I find your editing in this case suspect, TubaDiva.
Esprix
(If anyone else is reading this and wondering, the edited post in question is Otto’s comment in the “I can stand by no longer” thread in The Pit. Obviously I can’t re-post exactly what he said, or it’ll just be edited here as well.)
I don’t know whether the editing is suspect, but I think it is significant that peaches8 chose to post this rather than email TubaDiva.
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A little editing is good for the board.
Some people don’t know when to stop.
We may be just funny names to you here, but we take it back to our real selves and have to hear the insults in our sleep.
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(I personally had my first SD nightmare- no matter what buttons I pushed, my thread kept appearing before I typed it, and disappearing afterwards. I kept giving up and then trying again until dawn. My pillow was soaked in bitter tears of defeat. Just like my keyboard right now. Excuse me…Kleenex anyone?..[Honk!] 
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I’ll post it since it was my comment. I had posted, in the Pit, about a paragraph about how I think peaches and Flinx’s marriage is going to end in disaster, and the last sentence was [edited out again by TubaDiva.] TubaDiva editied it as “gratuitous.” Apparently she did not find other comments in that thread to be “gratuitous.” Comments such as “ill-fated, ill-conceived, wholly ludicrous and just plain sad,” “the biggest mistake of your life,” “misguided religion,” “quiet desperation,” “a life of lonely misery,” “delusional relationship,” “If wrongness were golden they would be the richest people in the world,” and “two desperate, sucking need-holes trying to change their own very intense problems overnight. This marriage is an act of selfishness.” Out of all of those rather intense personal attacks on the people themselves, it was a joking comment about a screen name that was edited as “gratuitous.”
Now, this forum is not for complaints about the administration of the message board, so this thread is probably mis-located. I won’t debate the appropriateness of TubaDiva’s actions here. I’ve already opened a thread in the Pit for that topic. I’m posting here for informational purposes only, and I am not calling anyone anything that’s listed above.
I felt the comment to be unnecessary . . . and I STILL think it’s so.
You have every right to debate an issue, but you do NOT have the right to insult someone while you do it.
I should remove it from this thread too, same reasons.
Kindly do not repost it again.
your humble TubaDiva
Administrator
OK, I guess it’ll get talked about here too.
The thread in question is in THE BBQ PIT. Is there some rule in place that says insults are not allowed in the BBQ Pit? Isn’t that kind of the point of the BBQ Pit? The description of the forum indicates that the BBQ Pit is the place for flames. Is the description in error?
Why is comparing someone’s SCREEN NAME to one that would belong to such a person as I described worse than calling two actual people “desperate sucking needholes” and their upcoming marriage as “ill-fated, ill-conceived, wholly ludicrous and just plain sad”? Were those insults “necessary” to the debate? For that matter, was the entire thread devoted to denigrating the two people and their relationship “necessary”? Give me a damn break.
I’ve managed message boards in three different fora, and in none of them was “unnecessary” or “gratuitous” a reasonable standard for editing a message. If I’d have edited or deleted messages because I thought they were “unnecessary,” I’d have been fired, and rightly so. I’m saddened that a statement so clearly within the posted description of the forum is edited on such a ridiculous ground, and concerned at what I might say next that some moderator might consider “unnecessary.” If your goal was to place a chilling effect on my speech, you didn’t succeed. I have no intention of altering my mode of expression based on whether you or some other moderator might deem that expression as “unnecessary” and edit it, so if this is gonna be a regular practice on your part, you might as well ban me now and save yourself the trouble of editing me later. Your action was completely uncalled for and I’m sorry that you still can’t see that.
Well, FWIW, the Better Half has now read, over my shoulder, the thread in question, and is of the opinion that since the subject of the thread was basically concerning the party of the first part’s sex life, that if the party of the second part makes a tacky remark concerning the party of the first part’s screen name, said remark being sexual in nature, then one would express one’s surprise that the party of the third part felt a need to edit, unless perhaps one is to assume some sort of “sisters under the skin” reaction on the party of the third part.
The Better Half feels that the tacky remark in question should perhaps have been edited only if the subject of the thread had been of a non-sexual nature, for example, gun control, or Enterprise vs. Star Destroyer. In such a case, opines the Better Half, said tacky remark would definitely have been out of line, and adds that simple editing would, in one’s opinion, be too good for the party of the second part. Castration with a pair of rusty toenail clippers is suggested instead.
Otto, my boy, you are extremely fortunate that, for you, my Better Half appears only in pixel form.
Believe it or not I actually think I can shed some light on this topic. I think the insult was edited because it was unrelated to the topic at hand. Let me give you an example.
Say I’m debating someone in GD. If I get angered at their ignorance I can pull them into the pit and say “You wouldn’t know [subject of debate] if it crawled up your ass and died”. However, if I then add “…and your momma’s ugly too.” - that’s gratuitous.
Now, I had to use up four of my brain cells to figure this out leaving me with a total of eight remaining. Some kind of response as to what is appropriate would be helpful for those up us intent on not screwing up.
Otto, I hope your beef is with tuba and her decision. I didn’t ask her to delete your comment, it was her call. I wasn’t That offended by it, I am not peaches after all, I only use flavor names for some odd reason.
But I didn’t ask her or complain about it. Just wanted you to know.
It is obvious that other personal attacks have been allowed in the Pit in the past, but this one was deemed “unnecessary.”
If this is her reasoning, I wholeheartedly disagree and disapprove with TubaDiva’s decision to edit Otto’s post.
With that in mind, and having sufficiently murked up the waters of the rules and regs, I’m going to ask that the Administrators and Moderators please post to the thread I am about to start in the Pit about what is and isn’t allowed there.
Esprix
I found it offensive.
Debate is not a problem, discussion is cool . . . even the heat of the argument the comment was made in was fine.
I felt the remark unnecessary, a nasty cheap shot that actually coarsened the tone of the thread.
When you let stuff like that go, if folks think that’s the way to do things, before you know it you’re up to your eyeballs in mud.
Yeah, it was in the Pit, but that was over the line.
Thanks to everyone that had something to say about this subject, most people do get it.
your humble TubaDiva
Administrator
I’d just like to take this opportunity to thank TubaDiva for reinstating me as “Snark” after my short, angry absence, and also for editing the nasty comment out of that thread. Tuba, you are wonderful!
Okay, Bill, quit posting in EVERY thread I do!!!
kidding…
And otto, our marriage is not going to end in disaster. You just wish
give it up