To some people, liberalism represents a giant collective mass of everything they hate or fear. So liberals are Muslims and Satanists and atheists (and maybe Jews and Catholics); liberals are Democrats and Socialists and Communists and Nazis; liberals are out-of-touch elitists in their ivory towers and cold-hearted bankers in their Wall Street offices and no account white trash and lazy minorities and illegal aliens who don’t want to work and will steal your job; liberals are people who are always having abortions and breed like rabbits; liberals are fuzzy-minded pacifists who refuse to defend themselves and violent rioters who will attack you for looking at them - and they’re all of these things at the same time.
Excellent post, Little Nemo. If anyone thinks he exaggerates, look at dome excerpts from the introduction to the Conservapedia page on Liberals. (I’ve included some items which show hilarious lack of self-awareness.)
conservapedia.com, yeah, no fucking bias there. Also, idiot, Nemo is ridiculing your way of thinking, but I wouldn’t expect a fucktard like you to catch on to small unimportant phrases like “To some people”. In this case, “some people” means even bigger idiots than you are. He is portraying idiots like you as people Archie Bunker would laugh at. But you’re so stupid, you don’t even realize you’re being called stupid.
No, but (and I know where you’re going with this) it sounds a hell of a lot like the Dominionist, Christian Reconstructionist, Religious “Right”. The American Taliban.
I remember someone from the Obama WH once expressing annoyance about the continuing complaints from “the professional left”. I’d expect even a President Bernie would have to face that.
What stands out to me at looking at that list of so-called “liberal” things, is that whoever’s writing them has an EXTREMELY narrow view of them- very much a “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” kind of viewpoint. Lots of examples where they’re claiming that if you don’t take a stand against X, then you’re supporting/advocating/encouraging X.
Which we all know isn’t true. For example, sex education is (or should be) relatively neutral- neither encouraging it nor passing moral judgments on it either, and sticking mainly to the plumbing, consequences and circumstances (no means no, etc…) And I would even say that a comment that the best way not to get pregnant, a STI, etc… is not to have sex, wouldn’t be out of place in a reasonable sex ed program.
But the people writing those lists seem to have the idea that if you’re not pushing abstinence super-hard, then you’re encouraging premarital sex among teenagers. Which is not correct at all. It’s merely not pushing a specific viewpoint, and not a very pragmatic one at that.
Septimus, the first amendment is a totally different thing from the modern ideal of "freedom of speach’. The first amendment in that it prevents the government from political censorship is totally cool. The modern ideal that Twitter banning users is a 1st amendment thing is totally fucked.
Citations Needed is an excellent podcast and you should listen to their free speech episode. I think it’s totally possible to be against free speech and still support the first amendment. They’re not the same.
We pick and choose what’s acceptable discussion all the time. We don’t expect that a student should be able to hold up evolutionary biology 101 debating intelligent design until theyre convinced. The idea that we should be relitaging like racial hiercharchy because someone needs convincing is more political than just disallowing the conversation in the first place.
I mostly agree. Again, the “1st Amendment” in thread title was a rhetorical flourish.
OTOH, “free speech” has been cited to allow unlimited PAC spending, and to allow vile hate speech. And especially: We really need some workaround — (repealing 1st_A ain’t it) — against the freedom to Lie on Facebook which really has degraded American discourse, even encouraging foreign subversion.
That’s 100% correct. Unfortunately, there is far too much hypocrisy with regards to support for rights in this country. It’s too easy to whine about free speech instead of teaching critical thinking skills.