The absolute without a doubt worst day of my life

…or, my SO is absolutely wonderful. <sigh>

I wrote a terribly long rant that might have been Pit worthy, but since I’m exhausted beyond belief I’m just going to link to it here instead. I don’t have the energy to paste everything over, and I don’t have comments enabled on my LiveJournal, which is why I’m linking it here. Pity me. I’m probably going to pass out soon, but I’ll be sure to read everything in the morning.

And to the religious among you, please pray that next time something like this happens I don’t go insane and decapitate someone with my t-square.

If I manage to restrain myself a second time, you may have a convert on your hands.

http://jinwicked.livejournal.com/

(I had to post it in 3 parts because of length.)

jinwicked that sounds absolutely awful. Sorry you had to deal with such horrible customers. Your SO sounds like a gem :slight_smile:

Isn’t it amazing how some people don’t seem to realize that the polite approach will get them far more than being rude?

Yeah. Well, I seriously doubt these people are anything but con-artists. We’ll see though. I’m finishing my brownie and going to bed.

My SO is really great. I tell him so often but he likes to play modest. This time I have proof.

Wow, what a day. I think your tuition was right-on with that pair, too.
Now. [Mother voice] You take care of yourself! Keep a little snack handy, in case you don’t have time to eat. We don’t want you passing out right in the middle of all those customers!
And…um…don’t forget to brush! yeah, that’s it![/Mother voice]

(I panicked a little at the end, there…)

Hope your next work day is better, jin.
~karol

Ahh, Customer Service. It’s amazing how people have somehow come to believe that “Customer” = “King/Queen of Everything”.

I certainly don’t want to ask you to revisit this nightmare now that it’s over, but I’d be interested to know what happens when they come back to pick up their order!

Hang in there, Toots.

Oh, poor jinwick, and I’m sorry your manager caved. Surely you could have asked them to leave, and if they refused, call the police?

(I hope someone near and dear to you springs for a nice hour long massage done by whatever tall blonde person turns you on the most.)

Hey Jin - can I hijack this thread and ask you an irrelevant question?

The text at the top of your journal, that says “Jin’s Journal”… what font is that? I’ve been looking for a font to make a new logo for my site JazzRant, and that is EXACTLY the font I want.

Sounds like you were amazingly patient. I probably would have snapped in that situation.

Make sure and let us know what happens when they come to pick it up, if they do. When is it supposed to be ready?

You are a saint for having to put up with all that bull crap. You seem like a nice enough person and don’t deserve that kind of treatment.

The font is called Mekanik… I picked it up somewhere in one of my many font-downloading sprees.

My district manager was in today, coincidentally, and I asked him about what happened yesterday. And he told me that in an extreme situation like that I would’ve been safe in asking them to leave the store and refusing to serve them. As in, if this happens again, I can tell them to get the Hell out and not have to worry about being fired.

I’ve also requested that when they pick up the picture they be asked not to come to our store any more, and informed that the purchase was a one-time deal and they won’t be allowed to make any other orders without prepaying. The DM says if they give me any more trouble like before, to call him and he will personally inform them that they won’t be buying anything else from us.

I took my new doll into work today, and everything worked out pretty well. All three managers and the DM were there, and they’re finally going to do something about the problem w/ other employees calling in sick. And the girl that didn’t show up yesterday is fired. I told them I didn’t ever want to see her again. She’s also the girl that took the new pics on my site. It’s a shame she just seems to be unable to act in an adult manner and show up for work even though she got in some petty argument with one of the managers.

The head store manager reads my Journal just about every day, so he already knew what happened before I came in. I also slept through my alarm this morning and he called half an hour after I was supposed to be there and woke me up. No one was mad at me though.

They’ll be picking the thing up in a week or two, so I’ll post an update if anything interesting comes of it.

ivylass, I don’t think my manager caved, I think he was concerned for me and just gave them what they wanted so they would leave and stop harassing me. And no one deserves that kind of treatment. :frowning:

I hope they remember this when I come up for a raise next month. :stuck_out_tongue:

What are the odds? I’m a custom framer too! (And a newbie here). I so sympathize with you.
Hopefully they show to pick up the order. People like that I tell I won’t order materials until at least a deposit is made. I have a few customers who can pay when they pick up, but not many.

Have you been to The Picture Framers Grumble? It’s a message board for framers.

Hi Crescent. At my store we don’t accept deposits. The orders have to be paid for completely up-front. If they weren’t people (at least in the area where I work) would just have us order stuff then say they changed their mind after a week and we’d be stuck with it. At least if they have to pay up front then it pretty much shows they actually want the item and have given it some thought.

Do you have a link for that site?

Welcome to the board, Crescent! If you make reference to a web site it’s nice if you can provide a link: The Picture Framers Grumble.

Jin, if I’d been one of the customer’s standing there watching this whole incident I might have intervened. I don’t try to be a buttinsky all the time but when I see something like that going on for longer than it should I have stepped up in times past and tried to calm the situation down a bit, not only for the sake of the store employee’s sanity but also for the other customers that are waiting. Probably something left over from my military career.

Your store manager did what he thought was best to end the situation, whether it was to bend the store policy or to kick the couple out. That’s what managers do. I will tell you this though: if you had been able to resolve the situation yourself, you’d have that much more confidence in your problem-solving skills the next time a shitty attitude comes your way. It’s a great skill to have when applying for a supervisory or management position. It sounds like you already have an excellent work ethic.

You did what you could though. It does sound like they may have been trying some kind of scam on you and I’m glad you held out until the manager stepped in.

I hope you’re back to feeling Wicked in short order and good luck on your performance review next month.

Well, Horseflesh, I like to think I have good problem resolving skills. My customer satisfaction is probably like 99% everyone totally happy with my service/attitude and the other 1% are those people that you can’t just do anything to please them. But that’s like you walking up to me and asking me to give you one of my paintings and let you pay for it later, and you said you wanted it, and I said no, and you said you wanted it, and I said no, and I’m trying to explain /why/, and you’re just personally insulting me. These people were completely psychotic and irrational. If I had any more authority than just kind of wedged between management and the kids that are usually on the sales floor, I’d have asked them to leave and called the police if they didn’t. If one of the managers hadn’t been in the store, and only the leads were instead, I’d have asked them to leave. Since there was a manager there, though, I was kind of obligated to defer the situation to him.

Really the major “holding out” I had to do was /not/ pointing at the door and telling them to get the Hell out. I had made my mind up. I really don’t like not having that authority, but I’m not really interested in actually taking a position as a manager as that means I’d be doing nothing but paperwork and manager stuff instead of framing. The talk with my district manager today helped, because next time I encounter something like that I can do what I think is best without having to worry about being fired. Quite a bit of the problem was agitated by the fact that at that point I was not sure what I was within my scope of limited authority to do.

There was a military guy in camo that happened to be in buying something else at the same time, and believe me, he was watching very closely, but he did leave shortly after it started and that’s when I started feeling uneasy. I’m only 5’3" and about 110lbs, I can’t even bench 45 lbs… I’m very small and being alone on a sales floor with my male manager in the back of the store locked in the office on the phone, and being harassed by a pair of psychotic old people and a near 7’ tall drunk guy attempting to flirt and make small talk with me was just a bit more than I can handle. I mean to say that I was more physically alarmed than mentally unable to handle it. Luckily there were enough other customers standing around watching that I was pretty sure someone would have a cellphone to call the police or something if anything physical broke out.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that your people skills were lacking in any way. Quite the opposite, your patience seems almost saint-like and most people I know would’ve blown up by the 15 minute mark. I was referring more to the confidence you had in yourself that you were “in the right” when dealing with these people. Of course you had the right to tell them to leave. In absence of an available manager on the floor (uh, why would he lock himself in his office?) and you being a lead (meaning, I think, that you take on supervisor-type responsibilities from time to time as needed) gives you the right to use your best judgement in dealing with a problematic situation. The adage “Better to beg forgiveness than permission” comes into play at this point. If you really thought telling these people to leave and never return (tactfully) would be in the best interest of the store, no manager in their right mind would do more than instruct you what to do differently next time and at best would shake your hand for taking care of it yourself (and hopefully remember that when review time comes around). Ask yourself this question: How much money would your store have lost if you had kicked these people out versus how much did the store lose from other frustrated or skittish customers who left during the dispute? I consider it the duty of all employees to try to make things run as smoothly as possible. If that involves kicking out one bad apple so the rest of the pleasant, paying apples can enjoy their shopping and make their purchases in peace, so be it.

These people saw your reluctance to ask them to leave. They perceived that as a chink in your armor. They probably felt that if they pressed hard enough that you would acquiesce to their demands and they continued this bully tactic with your manager and finally played the persecution card (“Yeah, lady, we wrote that store policy with YOU in mind”).

Size? Size means little once interaction has progressed beyond 5 minutes or so. At that point most people will know how “big” you are on the inside. I once had a drill sergeant who stood right at 5 feet tall and probably 105 lbs or so. Once she got in my face and told me how things were going to work she somehow seemed bigger than I was even though I was a foot taller.

If you thought that this was going to get physical, then by all means end that situation as quickly as possible. If you felt that you might need help “escorting” this couple out, the right kind of sidelong look at the military guy or even your 7’ amorous friend would probably have been enough invitation to them to step up and help out. The Army showed me how to flip the Instant Asshole switch on when I needed it (and thankfully I don’t need it very often).

I think I’ll shut up now before I bore my fellow Dopers anymore. Sorry about the length of this post. It just really irks me to see some people treat a store employee like they’re a bad dog who just took a dump on the carpet. It seems they have no idea that they’re addressing a fellow human being.

P.S. I have the same sentiment you have about management positions. I finally took a supervisor role to prevent a jerkoff in my office from getting it and being in a position of authority over me.

Just another vote of sympathy. Why do I like the picture of you handing them a receipt for their cash (no check, no credit card), then saying “You are no longer welcome in this store, ever. Now leave!”

CJ

There is a “radical” concept now taught in many expensive MBA programs (Ivy League, etc.) that a small percentage of customers (let’s say 1%) account for an enormous and absolute percentage of a business total customer service costs (let’s say 90% of all customer service costs.) These customers have a “negative value” and should be fired, both for direct bottom-line reasons and as part of an overall good customer service program.

This 1% of bad customers costing you 90% percent of your customer service budget is a rough generalization, but reasonable for picturing the general scope; the actual numbers tend to vary considerably across industries, although they are usually similar for most businesses within a given industry.

The real point being, there is an effort in rarefied business circles to identify those customers that are really nothing but drains on the business (and that includes emotional and time drains on the employees, aka “human capital” as captains of industry are so fondly wont to call their people), and fire them. Not just refuse to humour nor merely discourage; outright get rid of them as customers.

Of course, anyone who has actually worked in customer service knows that the customer is not always right. 99% of the time, certainly. And if there is any reasonable question or grey area, it usually remains best policy to give the customer the benefit of the doubt. But that deliberately dishonest and loathsome 1%; especially when they so blatantly self-identify; sound business practice would show them the door, politely, but firmly. None but that loathsome pair derived benefit from the eventual managerial caving; not the business’ profit, not the employees, not the unhappily inconvenienced good customers. I would expect nothing but further grief and damage to the bottom line to result from any further interaction with those people.

It is an excellent general business policy, to immediately call security personnel or the police if an employee ever has even slight concern for her personal safety. Bright and competent people should be encouraged to listen to their gut feelings, and act on them right away. There is absolutely no reason to place fear of a false alarm over risking one’s personal safety. There is the additional benefit that when confronted by the knowledge that the police are en-route, loathsome customers often promptly disappear, never to be heard from again. Con artists frequently have records and current warrants out.

In short, the manager made a mistake in deciding to take this order; for purely business reasons as well as the obvious human and ethical reasons. I’m sure he thought he was doing right by adhering to the (outmoded) “the customer is right 100% of the time” rule, when it actually should be “the customer is right 99.9% of the time, but show that other .1% the door.” As previously suggested, how many good customers that happened to be in the store won’t be back again, because they disliked that loathsome pair as much as you did, and know those two nasties will be returning? Firing the outrageously bad customers is a key component of overall good customer service. It is an extreme step, and not to be done lightly, but in this case, it was clearly warranted.

The DM would do the business a service by suggesting the managers consider these points. Or a consultant could be engaged to recommend it. This would probably only cost a few thousand or so . . . :slight_smile:

Oh, he didn’t lock himself in on purpose… the door locks automatically when it shuts. But it means if I say, ran back there, I couldn’t open it from the outside, I’d have to bang on the door until he figured out what was going on.

gaeila, that’s a good point. I’ll have to keep it in mind. I’m pretty sure these people aren’t going to be allowed to come to the store again.

Mekanik. Hmmmm. Don’t suppose I could persuade you to let me have a copy of it, could I? flutters eyelashes

I’m really clueless about finding and downloading stuff like that. I wouldn’t know where to look.

Oops! never mind - I found it! Thanks for the name, though - I would never have guessed it.