No need for impeachment. 2/3 Cabinet + veep!
Democrats accept the results, peacefully grumbling and organizing for mid-terms and beyond.
I think Pence administrates mostly.
Very conservative jurists are put up.
Major reversals of environmental protections, of workplace protections, and tax code revisions are passed that serve the interests of the Trump class.
Russia moves across the Balkans.
The reason people were upset about Gore v Bush was because there were irregularities. Tens of thousands of black voters were purged from the rolls, which would’ve gave Gore the election. The ballots confused people and enough votes that should’ve gone to Gore to give him the election went to Buchanan. The supreme court intervened to stop the recount and voted along party lines.
FWIW, if Gore had lost Florida but won New Hampshire, he would’ve won the presidency. But do you hear people getting upset when talking about New Hampshire in 2000? No, because the election didn’t have the issues it did in Florida.
What will happen if Trump narrowly wins? I think a lot of democrats will be deeply demoralized because it will feel like a sign that the country is regressing. But unless there is obvious fraud, I doubt democrats claim the election was stolen.
I think all Trump truly cares about is feeding his narcissism. Once he gets elected, he isn’t going to have to do anything special to feed his narcissism (he will already have one of the most prestigious jobs on earth) unless his advisers convince him that to become ‘a great president’ he has to pursue a far right agenda.
In that situation, I could see him push for a far right agenda.
He will certainly sign any tax cut bill that cuts taxes for the wealthy. He will certainly appoint crazies on the court(s). Beyond that, there is probably not much he can do and that will make him angrier and angrier. He can fire cabinet secretaries, but he can’t fire congressmen and that will frustrate him no end.
There is a story that Harry Truman was musing about Eisenhower’s first days in office. Truman said, Ike would give an order and … nothing would happen. Look how successful Obama was in closing Guantanamo.
But if Trump is president, Obamacare is toast. I guess I will stay in Canada after all. Thnking of moving to near one of my kids, but I do nothing till after the election.
Diebold-esque CTs about election fraud.
Stories about gangs of armed white militia intimidating minority polling locations.
Take all the talking points about Nader and apply them to Bernie and “Bernie bros” who ruined everything with their naive socialist ideas and making the perfect the enemy of the good and harming Hillary’s otherwise sterling reputation. Whenever there’s a horrible Trump story one of the comments will be “Thanks, Bernie!” Socialists will blame Trump’s win on the DNC putting up Hillary who everyone knew was a weak candidate. Full scale circular firing squad on the left.
Millennials will be blamed for not voting or voting the wrong way.
In the long term the Dem reaction will depend on whether they think Trump winning is a last gasp anomaly of old white people or a sign of the country rejecting immigration and liberal identity politics and instead moving towards authoritarianism.
What hasn’t been discussed yet is what happens to democrats after a Trump win. Do the increasingly hard left faction remain interested in caucusing with the more centrist and moderate types or do they regard them as weaklings and enemies from within? The interesting thing about extremism is that it fuels extremism on the opposite end of the spectrum. It would seem well within the realm of possibility that Trump’s economic team proposes a pre-1930s economy, which would in turn provoke an equally strong counter-reaction on the left of those who push for stronger unionization, stronger minimum wages, regulation of business with teeth – basically the New Deal all over again. I wonder how things evolve within the democratic party as well. My thought is that if Hillary loses, the party will almost certainly get pushed to the left and it will be a more strident left. Still, there will be centrists and they will want to have a voice and a home in the democratic party. Will they?
Way back yonder, I was commenting on this post.
IMHO Trump’s agenda is not one and the same as the Republican party agenda, so (to quote myself), “I don’t see him signing whatever the Republicans send his way.” If he gets elected (God forbid), he will believe that he has a personal mandate from his personal minions to do whatever he wants whenever he wants without regard to party loyalty. If the Republicans think that he would be Their Man in the White House, they are in for a rude awakening. He would be what he is now: a party of one.
Again, that is ignoring who is Trump getting closer to and the ones that he has as personnel. They disdain the establishment, but they do know that their support is coming from the very radical republicans that do not see any use in compromise.
That is what I think many Republicans do see why is that Trump is likely to be a disaster for the Republican party in the long run if he wins. There will be less moderation or dissent in their ranks, and the flood of reprehensible legislation will come as a result.
Do we really want a POTUS who cut off money his disabled nephew needed for his lifelong care?
Sorry to be dense, but I can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me.
Re the phrase I have bolded: I don’t see a “flood” of any kind of legislation. Legislation requires cooperation and compromise, and yeah, a Trump victory would blow the already-fragmented Republican party to smithereens. The gridlock that would ensue upon his election will make the last eight years look like a festival of inter- and intra-party productivity.
Even without any photographic evidence?
I’m guessing that the Bernie Sanders faction will rise in power.
Give me a fucking break. The entire presidencies of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have been case studies in tantrum-throwing sore-loserism. :dubious:
Likely consequences if Trump wins and Dems do not at least take the senate:
- Major tax cuts (for the job creators)
- Major increases in defense spending (to make him look like a tough guy)
- Rollbacks in funding for federal agencies (and public sector job cuts)
- With rollbacks in funding, lax enforcement of regulations
- Moderate interest rate hikes
- Non-interventionist foreign policy
- Less engagement with foreign allies
- More aggressive Russia and China (and displacement of the US)
- At least one (and probably two) extremely conservative SCOTUS justice
- No appointments for NLRB
- Support for voter suppression in swing states
This is stuff that most republicans will agree on. It’ll be easy to unite the party on these grounds.
What will divide the party is on how to treat illegal aliens, how to confront terrorism, and how to respond to the collapse of American foreign power, visible racial and ethnic tensions, and how to deal with a decline (possibly a sharp decline) of the American economy. Moderate republicans will be under pressure from constituents to work with democrats. Radical republicans will take no prisoners. We’re entering a dark place here, I’m afraid.
I think he will direct his AG to harass the media and his political enemies with unsustainable legal actions that will all be overturned on appeal. Thus adding to his frustration, leading to more lashing out with whatever executive power he has left. It will be very chaotic, and much more of a problem for Republicans than Democrats. They supported him, they will own it in the midterms. If Democrats don’t retake both houses this year, they will in 2018.
This is definitely possible, and could be the silver lining. We needed Dubya to get Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama in power at the same time, and by a similar token a President Trump could get us the same type of deal, except within only four years. I’d still rather not mess with it though.
Putin will roll troops into Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia with the resulting collapse of NATO when President Trump refuses to do anything to stop it.
North Korea tests US resolve to protect the South with bold, more direct attacks, possibly nuclear.
Domestic terror sees a very sharp upswing. Racial tensions increase dramatically. White supremacists operate more openly than they have in decades.
And that’s just for starters.
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I absolutely believe that this will happen and it will be one of the most corrosive aspects of his campaign. Not that I expect Trump to explicitly endorse the KKK or anything of the sort, but his election - if it becomes reality - clearly gives white nationalists a mainstream voice and they will only feel more emboldened to be louder and more antagonistic. And worst of all, I suspect that they will have a greater impact and influence on local and state races, possibly to the extent of actually have real political power. Who knows…maybe a white nationalist sheriff, or a white nationalist mayor, with support of unofficial white nationalist governors like a certain southern governor whose given names are Jefferson Davis.
I wouldn’t get so gloom and doom.
We’ve managed to survive Obama and his BS. I’m sure we can survive Trump.