The Americans Season 3

Both of them care much more for their family and kids than anything. When the KGB did their ill advised test, Elizabeth beat the shit out of her handler, because they had pretend threatened her kids…Philip was much more sanguine.

Its just that most American (and Canadian ;)) viewers seem to be projecting their own patriotism onto Philip, he likes the US, but as he himself stated, “So what?”. He fits in. He uses that to help him do his job as well as possible.

The only time he spoke about defecting was in the pilot, in special circumstances, where they seriously were at the risk of being caught,and the Pilot is an excellent example of Early Installment Weirdness, he never again suggest defecting, even when he has the possibility to for instance when transporting Baklanove(and the KGB seems woefully unprepared in the Pilot, unlike the crazy ready they have been since),

The Americans is pretty much the poster boy for shows people watch after a few days and FX is a network which relies heavily on this.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean. I’m guessing you mean that most people record The Americans on a DVR (Digital Video Recorder) or PVR (Personal Video Recorder) box but then only get around to watching it a few days later. Is that right?

Hi Charlie Wayne, holy smoke, Charlie! That’s the longest list of comments and questions I think I’ve ever seen! I will try to answer as much as I can but it would take me hours to cover everything so I am going to have to be picky …

I’m glad you liked Stan and Ollie – that’s definitely my idea :smiley:

On Martha; I think one of the things about her now is she can be calmer, she finally knows where she stands and all the little doubts she had have gone away. She knows everything Clark was telling her was a nonsense and I think she’s actually kind or relieved.

"Hans wants rid of … " I think you meant "Hans wants to get rid of … " No? – yes, good catch. Thanks!

About using “beach front” – what I mean was the scenes between Elizabeth and Betty was were right across act 2, the whole central section of the episode, the heart of the ‘development’ even. Almost a ring-fenced piece in itself.

“paradigm” – yes, I know what you mean but sometimes it’s pretty much the perfect word. I’m still thinking what else to use … Yep, Martha and Clark are now both seeing the marriage very differently – it’s a lot more complex now and I don’t think the marital power distribution isn’t the same.

"Dreaming of Electric Sheep?”- I think it’s just a bit of fun, really. The show is scattered with technology to remind us of the era, some of it worked some didn’t … it’s kind of fun to think of the mail robot as an android …

Thanks again for taking the time to read and comment on the blog. It’s not attracting a lot of comments so every one is very valued. Thank you!

Fwiw, on ratings, I saw somewhere FX are committed to 5 seasons.

The numbers are obv. disappointing but I do think this show is worth so much to FX in terms of credibility and status to them - and maybe just the fact they get mentioned at Emmy time really helps pay the bills for The Americans; it’s like masses of free publicity of the station.

Anyway, I can’t remember where I heard that but I have also seen photos posted by the showrunner of sets being covered in sheeting (as opposed to being dismantled) at the end of shooting S3. Fwiw, I think we’re safe for some while yet :slight_smile:

By the way whover posted on here about Twitter and Alison/Martha is totally correct. Both she and the showruner retweeted me last week when I sent them an idea for S4 - yay me ! :smiley:

This is a fair point.

I recently read something, probably in EW, where an FX executive was proudly touting that the two big names for tv awards are now HBO and FX. In terms of nomination counts, HBO is #1 by a huge margin, then FX is (way behind) at #2, then everyone else is way behind FX.

There is something to be said for subsidizing loss leader shows to make your brand.

Problem is, as frustrating as this is to most critics, The Americans is not getting a lot of Emmy love either. I really hope that changes, because it would help provide FX branding incentive to keep it around, beyond just the ratings bottom line.

Right, this is a really good point. I assume you didn’t mean to say “Afghanistan” (a landlocked country) in relation to the sub though? He was definitely hit hard, like he’d been kicked in the stomach, when he heard about the sailors who died on that sub.

Twuest, interesting about those DVR numbers, and that it’s one of the only shows on TV that gets watched on DVR *more *than live. I wonder if there is something it’s competing with at the same time, or if there’s some other reason? Personally, though I’ve been a cord-cutter for a few years now, I was an early adopter of DVRs (way back about 15 years ago IIRC) and once I had one I basically stopped watching almost anything live. If I was *really *looking forward to something, I’d still start it 20 minutes in, so I could skip the commercials. But in general, I stopped paying attention to scheduling, so it seems bizarre to me that things like counterprogramming and lead-ins are still so important to networks in 2015.

Excellent point. It’s almost a rule, really, that stuff in a pilot that has never shown up again is not rock-hard canon in a sense. But what did you mean about Baklanov, and the KGB being “crazy ready”?

By Sub plot, I meant, the lesser plot of the Afghan war as opposed to the main story. Good point about the submarine loss though, that did affect him.

In the pilot, the KGB could not help them with the defector in their car trunk. In the main series, we have seen that the KGB is ready for most contingencies, including (ridiculously) arranging a car accident on demand. Realistically, they would have been able to send someone to extract the defector. Bakloanov, is the Jewish scientist who was trying to get Philip to defect after he was caught.

Ah okay, gotcha.

re Emmys - fwiw, I think there is definitely a feeling (sometimes) that it’s time has come (to be acknowledged). I think there is a general sentiment that it is that time for this show.

Yep well, people generally aren’t willing to die for ideology - as in go consumerism! yay capitalism! People do stuff because they have become emotionaly invested in their country. I make no further comment on that.

Philip has always been about the people. For him and for very many Russians the USA was a pro-active threat to his people - I guess we’ll see that more starkly in the final episide when Ronald Regan makes his “evil empire” speech.

It might not make too much sense from this side and 30 years later but the Soviets really believed the US was gearing up for war, even nuclear war.

Good call on the submarine!

I hope you’re right, but veteran Emmy watchers Dan Fienberg and Alan Sepinwall make the case that if a show gets past its second season without being treated as an Emmy contender, it is unlikely to ever get on the Emmy voters’ radar. (Similarly, once they do decide a show is worthy, they tend to cling to it long past its “use by” date, and that also crowds out newer and better shows from getting consideration.) But the critics are beating the drum louder than ever, so maybe the voters will be browbeaten into paying attention–let’s hope.

It wasn’t just the Soviets. I remember in the early '80s reading about opinion polls which found that a solid majority of Boomers believed that the way they were going to die was in a nuclear holocaust. There was the movie The Day After, Sting had a hit with “The Russians”, etc. I remember thinking this seemed strange at the time–I actually thought Mutual Assured Destruction was a pretty good deterrent–but most younger people then were pretty pessimistic.

Thanks :slight_smile:

The Emmys aren’t the only awards to brag about. The quote I mentioned isn’t confined to just Emmys; the FX executive was talking about the entire awards season. (Golden Globes, Critics’ Choice, etc…)

On the IMDb page for The Americans, it says:

Nominated for 3 Primetime Emmys. Another 6 wins and 31 nominations.

That’s 40 total nominations, which is the metric the executive was touting. 40 nominations is a fairly significant number. Sure, it’s not Game of Thrones (329!) or even Veep (79) but it’s not nothing. For comparison with other FX shows:

221 American Horror Story
78 Louie
67 Fargo
60 Justified
57 Sons of Anarchy
40 The Americans
23 Archer

And now we can see why Ryan Murphy has carte blanche to churn out garbage like AHS: Freak Show without concern of ever getting cancelled.

RE: ratings, DVR viewing

In my area (Mountain time), The Americans does not air until 11 p.m. (same with Justified), so not possible to view it ‘live’ if you have a day job. We watch it the following night.

For those who might not remember (not sure of the average age of posters here), but Slackerinc has it exactly right about the nature of the time. I graduated high school in 1982 and the possibility of nuclear war did hang over our heads. It was a real concern, and Slacker gives some good examples. I remember the stir Sting’s song “The Russians” caused…although if memory serves, that single was released a little later…I think in 1985.

In addition, according to Wikipedia “The Day After” remains the highest rated TV film in history. I think half the country tuned in when it originally aired.

Adding to the frosty US-USSR relations at the time, paranoia was the order of the day throughout Soviet leadership, and they feared an American first strike could come at any moment. At one point during the Able Archer excercise of 1983, the Soviets put their nuclear forces on alert, believing the excerise conducted by NATO was a ruse disgusing an imiment attack.

As one poster mentioned earlier, this would be an excellent idea for an episode of The Americans. I’ve always thought the Reagan assassination attempt show was one of the better episodes, but then again I tend to be more interested in the political implications of the show’s situations as opposed to the personal. Governmental reactions to various events are far more interesting to me than Martha’s sex life.

I can well imagine why half the country would have tuned in to watch that show. But I’m also certain they would not have had any idea what it was about before they watched. If they did, I don’t think they ever would have scooped up enough interest to have watched it. It was just too depressing. So very, very depressing - I’m sorry to say.

That show scared the living bejeepers out of me when I saw it. For those people who may not know, it was about some kind of mistake that resulted in both countries (American and Russia) exchanging nuclear missles. The next day, many cities in the USA remained heaps of rubble and it was pretty much of a miracle that anyone could ever have carried on with any kind of life after those missles hit.

I can’t imagine how anyone could ever have lived in such a heap of rubble that resulted from nuclear missles hitting cities in the modern America. Remember, these were not the early A-Bombs that were equivalent to 13K tons of TNT. These were H-bombs - far more powerful and they caused far more damage. There would be nothing remaining of any of those cities that could be described as habitable. Nothing that could be suitable for people to live in. It was enough to make most adults cry. I know that I am not ashamed to admit that I cried after watching that movie. Sad to say, I cried good and long and hard.

Anyway, I would have been interested to see what people would have done after such a catastrophe. It would be a freaking miracle if anyone managed to build any kind of dwelling that enabled them to carry on with the lives of their families.

I kept a copy of those films. But I can’t imagine ever feeling like watching them again. Oh my gosh! Talk about scary. That film was pretty much the most terrifying thing I have ever seen. I’m sorry. But that is the truth.

As far as this TV show goes, how in the world could this show ever continue after such a disaster. Where would people live?

I can’t imagine this show changing into one where people go and dig themselves into underground bunkers. We have seen several shows like that in the past and they are all so very hoakey and not at all thought provoking or entertaining. They are all pretty much really ridiculous and not at all interesting.

Hey Charlie, I owe you a PM - really busy atm, will get back to you later, just popping in to say:
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FX Renews The Americans for Season 4
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Yippee!! The Americans and Justified are my favorite two shows on TV. Justified is in its last season, so I’m thrilled that this show is being renewed despite the marginal ratings.

I appreciate that. But I understand all too well how these things go. So, please … no need for you to be concerned about me.

The fact that this wonderful show has been renewed for another season has left me overjoyed. I have seen it said so many times in this thread …

“I just love this show”

I can’t think of anything else to say. You have brought me much much hapiness.

Oh. Happy. Happy. Joy. Joy. Thank you

:slight_smile:

So Stan is right about Zenaida and Paige now knows her parents are Soviet spies. :eek: I wasn’t expecting the latter reveal until the season finale; tonight seemed almost anticlimactic.

Right? It did and it didn’t in ways.

I was gripped when they were telling Paige they were Soviet spies. But then the silence from her, after, was frustrating. Then she calls her pastor and decides not to say anything, but it doesn’t mean she won’t in the future. I’m thinking her pastor is gonna see the business end of Phillip’s black gloves again. And this time, it’ll be for reals.

Then end shot of Paige putting two and two together with Stan was nice and disturbing. It really put what the Jennings are doing close to home. So, that was a stirring note to end the episode on.

Also… is it just me, or have they been showing their son’s Tandy football game a lot. I’m starting to wonder if that’s going to be used in spy-craft somehow? Chekhov’s Football Game?

It also seems Stan had a flash of suspicion about Martha too.