or was the same technique used on the monkey used on the rats as well?
does anyone know one way or the other?
i hadn’t seen the movie in eons and we happened to catch it on tv over the weekend. i researched on how the monkey was ‘killed’ (it wasn’t) because it was damn disturbing to watch and i was horrified by the thought that all those defenseless animals might have been killed just to make a movie.
as a longtime supporter of the humane society, the whole lab animal testing scene made me very uncomfortable. we’re never going to get away from animal testing in research, but simply killing an animal for a film would be utterly detestable.
i’d have searched for previous possible threads on the subject, but alas, the dope is w/o search capability for the foreseeable future.
According to the IMDb , the film’s animal sequences were monitored by the American Humane Assn., but it does not seem to have used the "No animals were harmed… " language.
To be fair…when did they start putting the “no animals” blurb on movies? Wikipedia indicated that it became more “common” after 1980, when there was some concern about animal treatment during the making of “Heaven’s Gate.” (Apparently, they blew up a horse on camera. Yie.)
i was under the impression that the fit hit the shan in the early 50s regarding animal treatment becuase of ‘king solomon’s mines.’
for those who have not seen it, it does certainly look like an elephant was killed just for filming purposes. it’s kinda hard not to see the impact of a 50cal bullet entering the skull.
problem is, i haven’t been able to research for sure when the footage was actually shot. was it expressly done for the movie, or was it borrowed footage from somewhere else and inserted?
Would it? How many turkey sandwiches do you think the caterer made during filming?
I, personally, have no problem with animals being killed for movies. I’d have a problem with an elephant being killed because they’re endangered, and a problem with cruelty, or with killing an animal when it would be easy not to. But I don’t share your complete moral revulsion at the concept in general.
Although there was extensive location shooting for the film, they also (rather seamlessly) incorporated quite a lot of 2nd-unit animal footage as well. I suspect an MGM crew accompanied various safari hunts for footage, and I seriously doubt that, by 1950, they would have sanctioned the killing of an elephant just for a movie (particularly when Quartermain has some speeches that can be seen as quasi-environmentalist for the time).
Hate to bump an old thread, but I solely joined up to address the Andromeda Strain questions. It appears, after extensive research, that the rats were actually killed, and that significant suffering was caused to animals.
Heaven’s Gate does feature horrific treatment and killing of horses, from animals being sliced for blood and disemboweled for ‘realistic internal organs’ for filming. King Solomon’s Mines also features actual killing of elephants. Just as films like Cannibal Holocaust featured the killing of animals purely for footage. If you watch these films, make sure that you pirate them so you don’t inadvertently provide royalties to anyone for cruelty to animals. That behaviour mustn’t be rewarded, at any cost.
(Ps: I hope the ‘rats are vermin,’ and the ‘they deserve it’ guy are still members, as I would like to point out that their ignorance has been cemented in history on this thread, with every single person researching this topic feeling utter disgust that those two people even exist; the real enemy of mankind isn’t ‘vermin’ but the pestilence that has left your minds so callous to not care for the suffering of another living creature.)
See, we didn’t have to worry about things like this before we showed up on Google searches. Back in the day, people researching this wouldn’t even know the thread existed.
That said, six years is pretty much water-under-the-bridge territory.
Yie indeed. Zombie alert!
Anyway - times were different, animals weren’t sacred (still aren’t) and bad things happened. At least with the Heaven’s Gate scandal, things were so OBVIOUSLY bad that the Humane Assn started monitoring and having films tag “no animals harmed and etc. …” which makes the industry much better today than it has ever been. I challenge you to find any widespread animal abuse in the movie industry NOW that is purposeful and was not remediated as soon as it was discovered.
On the other hand, I do have to warn you that you’ve joined a board full of very opinionated and factual people, many of whom like hunting or enjoy a good sideboard full of tasty meat products. You won’t find much sympathy for scare-mongering and flailing here, nor of treating animals as sacred.
Welcome to the SDMB, bashprompt. We have a few rules around here (which you can review herein our registration agreement). These include “don’t advocate illegal activities” (such as pirating films) and “don’t insult other posters outside of our forum for such activities, the BBQ Pit.”
If you intend to stick around, pls. learn the rules and abide by them.
So carbon dioxide was used to knock out the animals? Or at least the monkey? That’s not very efficient unless they were trying to make him appear to be suffering…which is what carbon dioxide would do. Nitrogen would be much less painful. CO2 is going to trigger the **** out of ‘starving for oxygen’ mode.