The "Argentina Get Pwned in Court" Thread

A rather interesting develop in international banking, and international relations in general, occurred recently. The Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from Argentina, which allows the earlier court’s ruling to stand.

I won’t even try to get into all the background on this. However, for short, here’s the very basic rundown:
(A) Argentina has been a fiscal basketcase for quite some time.

(B) Some years ago, it found that its credit rating was so god-awful nobody was willing to lend it money without some pretty heavy assurances.

(C) As a sovereign nation, its politicians weren’t in a position to give those assurances. The investors, in short, couldn’t rely on promises now to be paid later, since Argentina had a nasty history of default.

(D) To get the credit it needed, Argentina agreed voluntarily, according to a pretty clear contractual agreement, to waive certain rights of a sovereign state for the specific case of its bond issue. Further, it was bound to New York, and therefore US, law for those bonds.

(E) Argentina decided the best use for this precious and expensive credit resource was to piss it down the tube.

(F) Their next plan, since anything approaching a sensible fiscal policy clearly wasn’t on the table, was to try to do exactly the thing they swore not to do. Specifically, they wanted to basically ignore any debt they didn’t feel like. Strictly speaking, this was a “voluntary” adjustment by the creditors to Argentina. However, in practice (and nobody even pretended otherwise), Argentina was blatantly threatening to just cancel the debt.

(G) Some creditors decided not to take this lying down, and the courts agreed that Argentina must, as per its agreement, pay out all the debt. They cannot pick or choose. This means that the creditors who knuckled under basically cannot get anything. (This may sound odd, but it’s a way of preventing companies, individuals, or in this case nations from abusing their influence to get around agreements while maintain decent credit, I guess.)

(H) Argentina, for its part, apparently thought it could threaten the Supreme Court and has gone back and forth on whether or not they’d even obey an adverse ruling they themselves agreed to be subject to. God alone knows why, since that’s more or less the single dumbest move anyone can possibly do before a judge. It may have been a ploy to win domestic approval, but Argentina’s economy is in the crapper so I don’t think that’s going to help anyone much, not even their government.

(I) The Supreme Court evidently took a very dim view of Argentina’s antics.

(J) Argentina may be planning to try and ignore the ruling anyway, but there’s some question over whether they can even find a willing international partner to help them do it. Their behavior and double-dealing has been so bad that it’s seriously damaged their international credibility - and inherently their credit. While I’m sure they can con some further sucker, they’re going to have to really work on it. and the country may face complete fiscal collapse long before they can get anything. Most foreign banks have already apparently said they’ll respect the U.S. ruling - which means that even if Argentina tried to evade the decision, they might not be able to. Any bank caught assisting Argentina might make itself a target for the creditors, because they can then make a claim against its assets. There are probably few banks in the world of international finance would rather do business with Argentina than the Untied States.

Yes, that IS the short version. The long version involves thousands of pages of court documents and requires an intimate knowledge of financial law as well as expert insider information into the world of international politics.

The latest link on this I can find is here: Argentina Defiant Against Supreme Court on Bond Payments - The New York Times

And the point at debate is?

Whilst I agree with a lot of the points , point E being significant one, the phrase “caveat emptor” should be at the top of any paperwork related to financial instruments connected with some countries.

Anyone buying bonds at the coupon rates the that the Argy bonds were paying out at should probably have been aware the high reward had a pretty significant risk associated with it, and recourse through the US courts was not a done deal regardless of the wording of the contracts.
Argentina , like any sovereign nation, can pretty much do what they think they can get away, balancing gain against incurring diplomatic wrath and future inward investment problems.
US courts can only rule in US matters and can’t exactly order in the US military as a big repossession agency. (add in the usual political barbs here)

So the 90 odd percent on investors took the haircut and got back what they though they could. Some held out and now have a judgment that they may get something more back ( was it worth the 10 or so years wait of not getting something back?) and Argentina has an issue that they may, may, have restricted access to US investor cash. Not that there is much of that. That said there are quite a few hedge funds who take a longer term view of world economics and are buying into argentine utilities , telecoms etc as it is a cheap investment and the expect the argentine economy to continue on the usual roller coaster. There are some broader capital markets now than there were back in 2002, with fewer dependencies on the US, so the buyer base for risky investments with high coupons is a bit bigger than it was.
Basically the same set of gamblers will reinvest in risky markets and some will loose their shirt. Some will take it as a lesson and some will pursue it through the courts.

I am not use if I agree with your debate position or disagree, but those are my humble opinions. None of which should be taken to be opinions that support the argentine government , which is a bigger basket case than it was then, and I struggle to feel any sympathy for people who invested in a high risk investment and don’t like it when it went sideways.

I’m thinking about what Andrew Jackson said. How exactly will the United States Supreme Court enforce this ruling if the Argentinian government chooses to ignore it?

Order the seizure of Argentinian assets located in US territory?

I don’t believe the Supreme Court can do that. Seizing the assets of a foreign government in the United States is apparently at the discretion of the executive branch. This is due to Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, which was enacted in 1976. It allows the executive department to decide that it will not seize a foreign government’s assets if it feels that doing so would jeopardize some other diplomatic or strategic interest.

I would so not cry for Argentina if this happened.

Maybe Argentina should consider forming some type of federation with Greece. Kindred spirits think alike and whatnot. Could end up being good for the world - isolate the Greco-Argentinian Federation and sanction them into the ground.

The Supreme Court would note; other courts absolutely could, however, using the normal processes that would be used to force payment on a debt. Argentina does have such resources. They don’t want to pay, but that’s not the same as saying they cannot pay. And the courts can seize Argentina’s money if it’s used abroad in any way, and governments do need to use international markets frequently, so that is a significant risk for them.

I suppose, going for the larger issue, the question does arise of what is the right thing here. As a sovereign nation, Argentina has certain rights. However, can they voluntarily cede some of those rights to gain a needed resource or advantage? If so, to what degree can a nation bind itself? Is Argentina’s leadership doing this for their nation - or for themselves? Does this court decision really mean something in the long run, or this just the case of a poorly-led country foolishly putting itself in harm’s way?