I really don’t care for rap, opera, and ballet. I wouldn’t miss them if they disappeared, but I also find they’re really easy to avoid- so easy, I’d have to go looking for them to feed my distaste for them. So, I just don’t do that. I also don’t care if millions of other people like them.
Name a single art form that has not been adapted for competition.
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Combat Origami. Minutes of dull paper-folding creating weapons, followed by minutes of mindless, vicious bloodletting. Yawn.
I’m confused. Is somebody forcing you to color?
No more than they’re forcing me to do ballet. The topic is art forms you can do without, not art forms you have imposed on you against your will.
What, I’m first with a cappella as a genre? Man, can I not stand that. Great, so you can imitate a song, but it’s not quite as good as the original song, except I’m supposed to be really amazed by the fact that you imitated that song. Plus, stop making that song upbeat…you know that song is not that upbeat.
Weirdly, I liked the movie “Pitch Perfect“ a lot. :dubious:
I was going to mention this and improvisational jazz which is often played in the background. I like some interplay between the musician and singer, but more than a minute or so and youʻve completely lost me.
I second, third, fourth, et. al. opera with a bit of triva. That super exciting, "Iʻm coming to kick your butt Ride of the Valkyries from Apocalypse Now? Here it is portrayed in an opera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeRwBiu4wfQ. Ooooo…a bunch women preparing to enter the battlefield to…ummm…carry off the dead? Well at least they have pointed sticks…err… spears!
“In the Walküre opera, the “Ride”, which takes around eight minutes, begins in the prelude to the third act, building up successive layers of accompaniment until the curtain rises to reveal a mountain peak where four of the eight Valkyrie sisters of Brünnhilde have gathered in preparation for the transportation of fallen heroes to Valhalla. As they are joined by the other four, the familiar tune is carried by the orchestra, while, above it, the Valkyries greet each other and sing their battle-cry. Apart from the song of the Rhinemaidens in Das Rheingold, it is the only ensemble piece in the first three operas of Wagner’s Ring cycle.”
Poetry
“Trying to get the most points” doesn’t reliably differentiate sports from art (as in my previous example of a performance competition). “Trying to get the most points” in a sports game is just one way of providing a framework for an unscripted improv performance.
That also doesn’t reliably differentiate sports from art. All artforms have rules of some kind or another, applied with varying degrees of rigor.
AFAICT the OP and most of the responses in this thread are interpreting “art” basically as “entertainment performance”, which definitely includes spectator sports games.
Performed for the entertainment of spectators. If we’re evaluating art performances based on whether or not we as spectators find them entertaining, which is what the vast majority of responses to this thread are doing, then football is just as legit a choice as opera.
Definitely scat and jazz. At my job the former hotel manager used to put the muzak on **light ** jazz. It was more awful than rap. I swear.
Modern dance.
By your definition, dog fighting and NASCAR are art forms.
For it to be art, it has to matter how you get those points.
As I see it, an “art form” has to involve imagination or creativity. Does this apply to sports like football? Maybe; but it doesn’t seem to be the point of them.
“Art” is hard to define precisely, and the OP explicitly said “feel free to interpret ‘artform’ as widely as you like.” So an interpretation that does include sports and an interpretation that does not are both legitimate and defensible. I come down on the side of an interpretation that does not include sports, mainly because I think that’s not how people usually think of “art.” People aren’t usually thinking of football when they say “art.” The “Arts” and “Sports” sections of a newspaper (remember those?) are completely separate sections. It’s the descriptive approach: the word means what most people who use it mean by it.
Also, the intent has to be expression. Playing a game doesn’t have the goal of expressing creativity. It has a utilitarian goal—to get the most points and win.
That’s my distinction as well. You might see artistic grace in their movements but, if they could score more points by looking like a brick rolling downhill, that’s what they’d be doing. They wouldn’t be saying “But my VISION!”…
Yup. ISTM that if people are basing their evaluations of an “art form” on whether or not they as spectators consider themselves adequately entertained by its performances (which is what most of the responses to this thread have been doing), then all types of performance put on for spectator entertainment are fair game.
Sculpture and Rap music
Guys, come on. You know what is meant by arts. I refuse to believe you all don’t.
If someone says “We should support the arts in our schools” and someone replies “We do! we just funded a new football stadium” I don’t think you’d take the second person seriously.
Sure there are edge cases like figure skating, but in general you know what is meant by “the arts.”
When I saw my first ballet my first thought was it’s very similar to figure skating. Some of the skating moves were copied from ballet. But I consider FS a sport.