The bail industry may be about to be over?

Duane “Dog the Bounty Hunter” Chapman and his wife Beth are ending their hit show Dog and Beth: On the Hunt in an attempt to save the bail industry, which is under attack nationwide.

It seems the TV show Dog the Bounty Hunter and Dog and Beth On the Hunt is making conservatives hate the bail industry!!! And conservatives what to kill the bail industry!! Why? Because they say it makes it too easy for the bad guys to get out of jail.

Both are ending the TV Show of fear of to save industry.

Where are you getting the idea that conservatives think the bail industry lets criminals out too easily and are therefore trying to end the bail industry? Everything I’ve seen on the topic has progressives driving bail reform, and the justification is that bail is too big of a burden on poor people and not significantly useful against rich people.

Why is this an industry that should exist at all?

The only reason the bail bond industry looks bad is Dog and Beth.

I read that as Dog Breath, which pretty much sums them up. If they get out of the bounty hunter buisness, they should run for president.

Privatization – keeps taxes down.

Yeah, no kidding. I think Beth is way worse than Dog, not that Dog is that great. I had a run in with bail enforcement agents on my property about 15 years ago and they are scum.

Also keeps accountability down. If a sheriff’s deputy kills someone or busts down the wrong door when searching for a fugitive, that might affect the sheriff’s re-election prospects.

Given recent history…they might even win!

You know of better alternatives?

Not having it.

Seriously, that’s how it works pretty much everywhere else, including some states. You pay your bail to the court, and if you abscond, that’s for the system to figure out, not a lender’s personal thuggish land-pirates.

Well, in the civilized world we tend to use officers of the law (with the selection, training and oversight that goes with that) to round up people who have skipped court, so my first inclination would be to recommend that the USA rely on officers of the law rather than Dog Breath, but seeing as you have one hell of a bad problem with police violence, perhaps that would not make much difference. Time for your nation to step back from it’s love of violence and support of authoritarianism.

My understanding if you are poor and have little money to post bond on your own than you have to get bondsman to post bond for you. You pay 10% or 20% or want ever the bondsman is asking for and the bondsman will pay the other amount. It don’t better if you are guilty or not. The bondsman keeps the 10% or 20%.

Where if you have the money and post bond your self when you show up for court the court will give you all the money back.

The only conservatives is it’s human rights issue because it’s a system that keeps poor people in jail, sometimes for YEARS, without trial simply because they can’t afford to post bond. Further more it greatly incentives people especially the poor to plead guilty to crimes not because they are actually guilty, but because again they can’t afford to post bail and will end up sitting in jail for YEARS!! Yes without trial.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-cost-of-convicting-the-innocent/2015/07/24/260fc3a2-1aae-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html

It NOT really police violence that is main problem it is the prison industrial complex and police complex where before locking people up was for violent people and bad people. And I don’t mean how the police and industrial complex have grown over the years like now that deal with vice like your vice mom or vice dad like say sex, drugs, prostitutes, drinking so on!!

But arresting people for filming the police, jaywalking, being homeless, giving money to the homeless or the poor, unpaid parking tickets, drinking in public, arresting 6 to 11 old’s in school for fighting or not breaking up fight, arresting the public for playing emergency service to not stop a fight or giving aid,:smack::smack::smack: arresting the public for playing emergency service for getting to close to an emergency scene. If you are a nurse and come close to a car accident you could be arrested!!! If you a are a bystander watching a scene you could be arrested for not giving aid!!

IF you are a bystander watching a scene you could be arrested for being too close!! They even arrested kids for not going to school!! They arrested people saying they done drugs!! So if you tell cop you done drugs you could be arrested!!

They even arrested firefighters for blocking lane two on the freeway!! The list goes on and on. You could be arrested for being high or on drugs / have been drinking and I don’t be mean obvious !! Yes even little bit or done in past 24 hour period!! There have been even cases of cops that even hit bars to arrest people. And don’t mean cops being called to that location. Yes even drinking one glass.

It is a prison industrial complex of lawmakers scratching their head what they could put on the list and giving high fives to law enforcement. And dumbing down the police.

Well sure not all cops are like this, but it is the bad cops that make the news and the crazy thing is most of the time want the cop did was legal!! In the state of Texas you could be arrested for having only one glass of beer even a sip!! It just most cops don’t hit the bars in Texas and make arrests. But there has been cases. It just crazy laws lawmakers come up with.

There been cases people even arrested for giving money to poor.

Illinois outlawed bail bondsmen in 1963. It also prohibits bounty hunters from other states.

In Illinois, when a judge sets bail, the prisoner is allowed to post 10% of the bail amount as a bond with the court clerk’s office and will be released. BUT, the court clerk gets to keep 10% of the bond amount for their trouble regardless of whether the accused obeys all the rules or not and regardless of whether the accused is found guilt or not guilty.

So, for example, if the judge sets a $1,000,000 bail, the accused has to come up with $100,000 to be released. If he obeys all the rules and shows up in court, he gets $90,000 back.

Commercial bondsmen and attorneys are not allowed to lend the accused the bond amount.

You still haven’t supported this claim. It appears to be based on you interpreting sources that say nothing of the kind.

You seem to misunderstand what the issue is. In every jurisdiction in the US, the bail is paid to the court. “Dog”, Beth, and others like them aren’t “bailsmen”; they’re bail bondsmen. The accused has a right to being bailed; however, not always the financial ability to be bailed out. The bondsman pays the bail to the court and the accused is then released. What the bond is, in reality, is an extremely expensive loan. The alternative for the accused, though, is to sit in jail because far too many defendants do not have the means to meet the bail requirements.

I know this. My point is that other places, including places in the US, do not have this system. They have a system where you or your family either pay your bail or you don’t. There is no middle option where you pay someone a fee to pay your bail for you (because that is a serious crime everywhere except, it seems, the Philippines and 40ish states in the US).

I suspect that the rate of people unable to bail out of jail in these places is not actually much higher than in bail bond states, and that the main effect of bail bondsmen is to increase the average amount of bail required by a factor of ten (which, funnily enough, drives even more people to bail bondsmen).

I’d agree with the premise that outlawing private bondsmen is to the liking of the private prison sector. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry with a substantial lobbying effort aimed at keeping more people in prison for longer terms. They also have an interest in holding those awaiting jail through denying bail. According to the WaPo link, above, they also hold about 50% of the illegal immigrants being held.

In short, we’ve again got a lobbying group influencing our elected leaders which has little to no concern for the best interests of the rest of us. If they could get us all arrested they’d be happy. Every time you hear about harsher sentence guidelines and stricter parole requirements, odds are they’re out there trying to push the issue.