The Black Vera Wang: West Wing 08 May

Maybe it’s because I’m a girl, and a certain kind of girl, but that dress screamed “I’m a Vera Wang!”

The stalker being able to identify it isn’t that mysterious.

Perhaps the wording “Black Vera Wang” is - but even that is not uncommon enough to be an identifying remark.

It could still be anybody who saw her at the mall…

Maybe she still hates C.J. for not wrestling the tattered copy of “World’s Worst Baby Names” from her parents’ hands 16 years ago.

I would say the fact that they hired a fairly recognizable young actress to play the niece is important to the story line.

I feel like we’re trying to find the mole in “24” now.

Nope… I’m with you as well.

Kidnapping anyone? :smiley:

Well, I haven’t read this whole thread, but this part of your OP hit me…

There’s this board game out there that some people play via email. I’m not sure I like it much, but I’ve found that friendships can trump politics.

IOW, Sam believed that his friendship with ol’ what’s-his-face would override any political intrigue.

Sam was wrong.

In many other situations Sam would be right.

The roll of the dice kicked him inna ass this time.

Interesting theory, MrVisible, but weren’t the stalker pictures of her with the niece? So would the niece have an accomplice? Just think you might be overanalysing this here. I think the niece may be a vector just as an excuse to add a younger character to spread their demographic. But that’s the cynical Shibb speaking.

What was the niece’s name? I have no recollection now, my videotape is at home, and I didn’t spot it in the thread. Sorry if it’s in here somewhere.

I’m also of the opinion that there’s no need for the stalker to have heard them talking about the dress. There’s nothing that indicates that this stalker is stupid, and is unable to ask the cashier later what kind of dress that was. Or have some knowledge of the fashion world. Or have planted bugs. Or a million other things.

Me three on CJ.

Her name is Hogan. My wife said something to me while C.J. was talking about her with Agent Summer School (sorry, Special Agent Summer School) so I missed the reasoning behind the name. Something about golf maybe.

Her brother(s) are big golf fans. I can only imagine the impact of that. Is there another neice out there going by “Golden Bear”.

Yeah, that was it. And C.J. said her brother was a big golf fan. It’s similar to the Scandanavian name Håkan, which is what I thought of, and is, AFAIK, a boy’s name.

Ah, but you see, that’s what tipped me off to the whole thing. What CJ said, if I’m not mistaken, was “This was taken when I was out to dinner with my niece.” No indication that the niece was in the picture. This was the first introduction to the niece in the course of the series. Everything else fits into place. Sure, the stalker could have asked what kind of dress it was at the counter; but then the Secret Service would have an eyewitness and a description. Or it could be a very fashion-conscious stalker. But by Occam’s trusty Mach III, it’s most likely that it was somebody there.

Also note that it’s not Hogan who calls CJ the cool aunt, it’s CJ who gives herself that title.

I feel like I should be pacing up and down and smoking a pipe…

It is just a theory. But it fits the facts.

Um, the stalker probably saw the big sign saying “VERA WANG” behind the rack of dresses.

MrVisible, I really think Occam would tear apart the notion that a 17 year old relative would be capable of eluding the Secret Service, sending masked e-mails that the Feds can’t track down, all while keeping in contact with CJ. No, I think the simplest explanation is that the one person, aside from Bartlet himself, that is not the stalker is CJ’s 17 year old niece.

Well, the nicest thing about this theory is… we can check it. In a couple of weeks, if I’m not mistaken.

I fully admit, I could be wrong. But I wanted to have it on record, in case I am right, so that I can reap the adulation and respect that the boards will heap on me, in case I’m right.

Or at least be able to post an “I told you so.”

That you may do. :slight_smile: But turn-about is certainly fairplay! It could turn out that young Hogan is a graduate of the School of the Americas, and is being groomed by the evil conservatives for global domination. She was actually the one that planted Sam’s videotape, and is waiting to publish photos of Sam and the prostitute from episode 1, season 1.

I’m also going to guess that her left leg is a prosthesis, and is made entirely of C-4. We’ll see in a few weeks!

:wink:

Occam’s Razor doesn’t apply to drama. The basic rule is that a villain must be introduced either simultaneously with or very soon after said villain’s threat. A random wackadoo doesn’t supply more than one episode’s worth of story – there must be a connection, some sort of dramatic payoff beyond the simply CJ’s-being-stalked part. So there are three theories:
A – It’s primary cast. Virtually no chance of this, unless they want to kill Ainsley so she can go be on the new CSI.
B – It’s secondary cast. The only people who have had any real appearance on the last two eps are Campaign Manager Ron Silver, Special Agent Mark Dawber and the niece.
C – It’s a random wackadoo. No dramatic payoff. He comes after CJ, Special Agent Bobby Caldwell shoots him, big whip. The acts of random wackadoos are only good for starting plot arcs, not ending them.

Therefore, MrVisible’s theory makes the most sense, and if it pays off that way, then he will be known as Wile E. Visible, Super-Genius.

I am not discounting MrVisible’s theory, and I will certainly be one of the first to give him the recognition and accolades which he’ll so richly deserve should his theory prove on the mark, particularly as it hadn’t occured to me.

But if I were to go to Vegas to bet on this, I would bet on the SpecialAgent Mr. Mindy takes a bullet that saves CJ, ends up in intensive care, and this propels CJ and SA Mr. Mindy towards romance as she nurses him back to health story angle…

And I will always love you

I will always love you

You my darling you mmm

Bittersweet memories,

That is all I’m taking with me

So goodbye, please don’t cry

We both know I’m not what you, you need

And I will always love you

I will always love you, you

I will go along with Shibb’s scenario, only as long as it’s CJ that carries S.A. Summer School in her arms to safety. BTW, what was the song that CJ sang in Season 1?

stankow, it should also be mentioned that Sorkin is notorious for starting story arcs, and NEVER ending them. Danny Kincannon (sp?), anyone? Sam and the above-mentioned prostitute? Sports Night? Also, there’s a history on this show of introducing plot elements only to show their effects for one episode, or on characters. The Helsinki summit of the last two weeks is one - all last week’s episode was geared towards this, but the only mention this week was that “it went well.” Where Josh’s wife went off to is another one.

Not that I think this is a bad thing. The show is entitled “The West Wing.” I really have little interest on what happens outside of it - that’s why we never hear about Leo’s wife anymore (or his daughter, unfortunately). There are some exceptions to this, but for the most part, outside events are only referred to as they relate inside the WW.

Perhaps it’s Moira Kelly’s character, (Mandy?). She just disappeared into the ether. Perhaps she is stalking C.J. in an attempt to get Aaron Sorkin to write her back in to the story.

As far as other disappearing characters, what happened to the president’s youngest daughter? She never seems to show up anymore. Presumably she is still dating Charlie.

IIRC, “The Jackal.”