The BMW HPDE track thread

Hi fellow bimmers: I started this new thread so our conversation keeps going outside of my “Scumbucketry” thread.

So I’m thinking about how much and what track mods I could do on my '02 530i. The first step in this direction would be to rip out the front seats and install sports seats – both seats are suffering from endemic BMW Cable Twist Disease, so they suck even for regular driving; even if I don’t ever do a DE again, I need safe and comfortable seats.

My old, heavy Beast will never be the fastest nor flashiest of track cars, but she sticks to the road like glue on velcro :smiley:

I have to confess that I dorked out and stuck some of the sponsor stickers on my car – hey, they did sponsor the event and I just might buy some VAC brakes in the future (or not: Holy cheesewhiz, are they expensive!)

So, let’s do some musing on fun driving . . .

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What’s your track experience so far, and what mods are you considering?

I ran 120+ track days over the course of 11 years, and was an instructor for most of that time. I ran three cars: a 1996 Mata, an '86 944 turbo, and a 2003 350Z. I ran the first two bone stock in my first three years, although I upgraded to racing pads and high-temp brake fluid in the Porsche after boiling the brake fluid going into Turn 10 at Summit Point. :eek:

With the 350Z, I made safety mods right away: a custom roll bar and racing harnesses, but I kept the stock seats, which were pretty good. Otherwise it was stock, except for racing tires and pads when on track. I only added adjustable sway bars in the last few years. No power mods.

I was always amazed at the guys who wanted to make lots of changes to their cars before they’d barely spent any time on track. As though they were already perfect drivers, and the only way they could go faster was to change the car. And as if they were smarter than the engineers who had designed their cars. :rolleyes:

If you want to make a hobby of tinkering with your car, there’s nothing wrong with that, I guess, but it was never my priority. As far as having more fun on track, I always felt that was primarily a matter of tightening “the nut behind the wheel.”

Where was the event? NJMP?

FYI, you may want to look over this thread I started in 2006: Ask the high-performance driving instructor.

(I’ll be on vacation for most of the next week, so I may not be able to rejoin the conversation for a while.)

Yup, NJMP event!

I am an absolute beginner, I’ve done two track days and three classes. It’s really cool you’re an instructor, I’m definitely keeping the contact info you posted.

I don’t want to go full-on tricked out car (like the young guys who were driving a Neon at the track that was totally tricked out – the car was pretty fast, though). I want to attend more DEs, my first one was one of the funnest, scariest things I’ve ever done; I’ve always loved fast cars and, at age 50, am finally exploring my interests.

I do need replacement seats for the Beast, they aren’t even good for everyday driving. I’ll need better brakes and some mechanical work before the next event (I’m looking at a possible October DE). I can’t imagine putting in rollbars and other super-duper mods – this won’t be a competitive sport for me and, as before, the 530 is too heavy/bulky to be truly quick on the track (confession: I have hit 115mph on a highway straightaway, it felt like nuthin’ in this car). If I were to really get into track driving, I can see buying a 3 Series in the future.

And Gato: yes, I have had months where I sign my paycheck over to BavAuto and my garage guys :smiley:

Thank Universe my X3 is under warranty :slight_smile:

Oh, I did want to ask if my Continental Extreme tires are appropriate for my novice-level track puttering. They have plenty of tread, about 8,000 miles of commute driving and 20 miles of track.

Enjoy your vacation!

Let me start by saying that I stopped running HPDE about six years ago, so I may not be completely up to date on technology, rules, standards, etc.

Fun fact: I was in the very first public groups to run at NJMP, in August 2008. I spent five days there with two groups, three on Lightning, and two on Thunderbolt. My best time on Lightning was 1:21, and on Thunderbolt was 1:46. Here are some pictures:

In the paddock

Worn out tire. (I had brought an extra set.)

The first and most important change to make to your car is high-temp brake fluid. As I mentioned up-thread, I learned the hard way how easy it is to boil your brake fluid under heavy braking. When that happens, your pedal goes straight to the floor, and you keep going. :eek: Fortunately, in this case there was plenty of runoff space, so no harm done. But it was a wake up call.

In your heavy car, this is even more important than in my little 944T. So get a good high-temp fluid that meets the specs of your car (probably DOT 3, but check and don’t get DOT 3 if your car calls for DOT 4, and vice versa). I don’t have time now to do a lot of research on what other products are available, but I always used ATE racing fluid, which comes in two colors, blue or yellow. This is useful when you flush the system: you can tell you’ve gotten all the old stuff out when the new color starts coming through.

As for seats, hard core racing seats are not easy to get in and out of, and aren’t adjustable at all, although in some cases you can get mounting brackets that let you slide them back and forth. So unless the car will be mostly a track car, real racing seats may not be ideal for daily driving, especially for passengers. But there are racing-style seats with good side support and cut outs for harnesses that also have adjustable backs, etc., and might be a better choice. Ideally, you’d want to go to a bricks-and-mortar speed store to see how they feel on your tush, instead of ordering “butt-unseen” online.

Also, don’t think you can cheap out by just switching out the driver’s seat and leaving the old passenger’s seat. Sanctioning bodies always require the same safety gear for both seats, for the safety of instructors.

When you get the seats, I’d recommend also installing 5- or 6-point harnesses at the same time. If you don’t get a roll bar, you can buy the kind that connect to the rear seatbelt mounts, but you must have cutouts in the seat back for those. If the seat has a cutout in the bottom, you can get a 5-point; if not you can do what I did with the stock 350Z seats: have mounting rings welded to the front of the seat’s floor mounts, for 6-point straps. It’s not as ideal as going through the bottom of the seat, but better than nothing.

Don’t go with just four points, because in a sudden stop you can slide under the lap belt. I think many sanctioning bodies don’t allow 4-points for that reason.

I recommend harnesses not only for safety, but also to help improve your driving: I found it much easier to maintain smooth control through corners when I was firmly strapped in, and not being thrown from side to side.

Despite costing up to several hundred bucks a set, harnesses are considered consumables: you are supposed to replace them every two or three years. When I started in HPDE, organizers didn’t care much about that, but in later years they started checking the manufacturing date, and wouldn’t let you run with old belts. In fact, I think that NJMP was the first place I ran where they actually checked. (NJ state law, maybe?) A bunch of guys were pissed off at being forced to buy new harnesses on the spot.

My personal opinion is that if you’re using them heavily, and if they stay in the car all the time and are therefore subject to UV rays from the sun every day, replacing them as recommended is a good idea. I used mine about 17 days a year max, and kept them in a duffel bag the rest of the time. I was pretty confident they were safe beyond the 2-3 year recommendations.

As for installing the seats and harnesses, I urge you to find a speed shop that specializes in race car work, and not just take it to your regular mechanic. They may not have the experience to properly install this critical equipment properly. A good track mechanic may be farther away, and may cost more, but will be worth it. You need to be completely confident in your equipment. Ask some of your track mates for recommendations.

Finally (for now), tires: your street tires are fine for your first several track days, but as you progress, probably the best (and easiest) upgrade you can make is ultra-high performance summer tires. I ran Toyo RA1s for most of the time I was on track. Bridgestone RE040s were my street tire and track rain tire. You’ll need a second set of wheels for your track tires, since you don’t want to wear them out with regular street driving. (So get a nice garage floor jack, to make it easier to change them.) Here’s a cost-saving measure: if your regular wheels/tires are 18-inch, buy 17-inch wheels for the track, and buy equivalent-size 17-inch track tires to match the 18-inch stock tires, so your speedo and odo will read right. The 17-inch tires will be much less expensive, and you may be running through a lot of them. (Yes, this is an expensive hobby.)

Once you move up to track tires, you’ll probably want to get racing brake pads, too. These you can leave in while on the street, although they’ll make more noise than regular pads, and won’t have as much grip when they’re cold. Some people switch out their street pads for brake pads at the track. In any case, learn how to change your own pads and rotors, because once you start spending a lot of time at the track, being confident in the condition of your brakes will be very important. But don’t worry: it’s easy to learn and do.

This will be my last post before leaving for my vacation (time to pack!), and I may have time to check in while traveling, but otherwise I’ll be back next weekend.

Keep the shiny side up!

That’s a fantastic post, commasense. It also illustrates why most of the guys I did track days with either eventually quit, or bought a car dedicated to that purpose. My Lotus was easier to prep than most and still just got to be a headache.

Crap. We have established that I cannot drive my current car at these. Grrrrrrrrrr. begins plotting to exchange x3 for 330 - considers the feasibility of having a separate car for race track

BB and BK (Before Bimmers and Before Kids) I had Supras. Unfortunately, that’s not really an option anymore. I shall have to do some serious pondering.

What is the group think on stick versus auto? I always preferred manual for hard driving. Is that recommended for track?

IMHO, once you start thinking about more than light upgrades for safety and performance, the correct way to go is to buy someone else’s already track prepared car. If you go to one of your local club level racing events, especially towards the end of the season, someone will invariably be selling the whole package; car, spares, trailer. And for way less than if you did it all yourself.

And as far as manual vs auto goes, my thinking goes like this… if you are racing for money or points, get what’s faster in your class. These days, that’s usually a DSG auto with paddle shifters. If you’re tracking your can for fun, get’s what’s, um, funner. For me, that’s a manual gearbox. Nothing’s much better than really getting good at heel’n’toeing your way through the turns. Makes you feel like a proper hero.

I’ve always loved manual… I guess I’ll start browsing for a car. Can’t hurt to look, right? :wink:

I thought this was something about installing plastic (High Density PolyEthylene) tank style tracks on a BMW motorcycle (or car)…

I’ll make you an offer your could easily refuse on a '73 2002. :wink:

Wow! Excellent, generous post! I printed this as a guide.

Obviously, the answer is you move to NJ and we share a track car! Check out ads for 3 Series, there are a lot of cheapies for sale (and then get a second job to pay for repairs) :smiley:

I think my plan is to use my 530 for DE/novice racing 'til repairs are impractical then buy a used 3 that has some track mods already done.

On manual use: I drive in auto shift sport mode wherein granny doesn’t upshift until around 4500-5000rpm. I tried Steptronic mode at DE, but it overwhelmed me with all the other stuff I had to pay attention to (like not having a fiery, spectacular crash). The 530 is actually the first auto I’ve owned.

I’d love to have a true manual, but I’d have to gain a LOT more skills/confidence before adding clutching . . . but I think you’re more experienced on the track than I am.

The track I’m going to this week requires that sunroof are “taped.” I assume this is for safety.

How the heck do I do this? And with what kind of tape? :confused:

Husband said today “what about a Subaru” - I’ve started the negotiations on exchanging the x3 for something more track worthy. I muttered something about them not being reliable. Not what I had in mind…

This could work. :smiley:

OK - there are all kinds of those that are race modified.