The Bat voice sounds a little stupid whenever he is standing right in front of someone talking to them.
Not to mention if we can recognize that Batman is Christian Bale in a Bat mask, how come people like Harvey Dent and Gordon can’t recognize that it’s Gothems most prominant playboy billionare, Bruce Wayne?
I’d say with that you would just have to buy into the mystique of secret identities for comic book characters.
How come Oliver Queen or Clark Kent aren’t immediately recognized as Green Arrow and Superman? Well, that’s just how it is. It’s been addressed before, but if you talk about it too much, you kind of ruin it.
Because we’re part of the movie-going audience, and *get to watch *as Christian Bale puts on the mask? Or is this a trick question of some kind?
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Does anyone know if this is true?
It is a fantasy movie. There are no super villains . There are no gangs where the members will die in thousands following orders. So his voice does not matter. It is just a fun comic book movie.
I thought no body could do a more interesting job than Nicholson did. But they took it into a new direction. I liked it.
Every Karate movie used the same plot to some degree. The hero could wipe out a hundred minions and then have a horrible tough time with one skinny or out of shape super villain in the end. It is a movie and a good one.
While I liked the Dark Knight OK I am probably one of the few people who liked Jack Nicholson way better as the Joker, and liked the Burton films better. I also don’t like Bale much. The best part of these new movies is a) the car, the clothes, and the special effects, and b) Commissioner Gordon.
I agree with pretty much everybody about the essential dichotomy of the Joker in this movie, and it doesn’t sit too well with me either. Still, it was a fun movie. I didn’t see how it was the big deal everyone made it out to be, though.
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Exactly.
The inclusion of the Scarecrow was fantastic because it established Batman doing what Batman does - putting away the same costumed criminals over and over. It seems to be non-comic fans who are confused by that scene, but it was a very nice nod to what “actual” superheroics are like.
Because even to people who know him best, the Bruce Wayne persona is calculated to make him the last person you would think wuold be Batman. The point to Bruce is that he is an over-the-top narcissist playboy who only cares about himself and throwing around his money. Even the philanthropic measures he does are designed to showcaes his money and not him. When people see Batman, they see the armor and the mask. Those few times that people did look beneath the mask (usually love interests) they saw Bruce almost immediately. The rest of the time when people see Bruce they see money and when they see Batman they see the mask and never think to connect the two.
I’ve seen this mentioned in a couple of places, (Ledger ad-libbing the scene outside the hospital just before the explosions go off.) But I’ve never been able to find a direct cite for it. I remember on the documentaries on the DVD that they spent quite awhile showing how the the gutted building was lined with real explosives and they only had one chance at the shot. I know he really was standing on the street when the explosions started, so it seems plausible at least.
But he’s not doing anything particularly Scarecrowish or even villainish. He’s practically buying a dimebag off of some high school kids.
And as for "wow, it’s so inventive to have him working for Joker, isn’t he working for Ra’s Al Ghul in the first one?
Huh…I happened to see it this weekend as well, and got berated for my Facebook posting of how I found it highly overrated. Glad to see I’m not the only one who didn’t fawn over this flick…
Guns and explosives are cheap…not free he did need some startup cash. But yes I think that scene was a little B.S. just to establish how ‘crazy’ the Joker was going to be.
Really? Mob bosses did that all the time. Clear out the leadership and beat up/kill anyone that didn’t acknowledge the new order. Plus it’s not really clear how much of his army are paid, recruited or attracted to the Joker’s cult of personality.
I don’t think the Joker was even serious about killing Dent. He wanted to get caught and have Batman choose between Dent and his girlfriend. Also the Joker only exposed himself after most of the support SWAT team were smashed into the river by the dump trucks.
He’s not wearing paint in that scene.
That’s just the way he rolls baby…ok I admit it’s a ridiculous plan that shouldn’t have worked.
I think at that point we’re supposed to believe everyone had cleared out aside from the bus that the Joker had already hijacked.
What good would cell phones had done at that point? Nobody could come and rescue them without the Joker blowing the boats. I guess they could have contacted the other boats and begged them not to blow them up but how would they have gotten their numbers?
The Joker only attacks Batman once he’s distracted. He also uses this tactic earlier when Batman shows up at the party. Plus Batman is hampered by that stupid ‘cell phone radar’ thing that seems to make it harder to see to me. Also Batman is brand new. His ethic is no doubt evolving and changing.
Hill Street Blues? The Wire? You must have been watching another movie then. Die Hard was closer in line with real action then either of these movies.
He wasn’t working for the Joker. He was just a criminal losing ground because of the Batman.
Honestly, I don’t think The Dark Knight broke new ground, either. What it did was follow very well in the footsteps of Batman Begins, which did break new ground. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
I hate this trope, too – I’ve seen it used too often in Seven, Speed, In the Line of Fire, and countless other flicks.
It’s one reason that The Day of the Jackal is my favorite thriller – the titular Jackal isn’t omniscient and omnipotent, and after you see him inventively and persistently overcoming the obstacles set in his path you perversely find yourself cheering for him as much as for the Commisair who’s trying to track him down and capture him.
the Joker’s ability to anticipate everyone and somehow get huge quantities of explosives* into situations without detection is simply absurd.
And I still don’t understand why the Joker had to get himself captured to spring his Dent-or-girlfriend dilemma trap.
*I don’t recall the Joker ever being so addicted to explosives in either the comics or any previous movie, but in the Dark Knight it’s practically his hallmark method.
I wanna say too…
While Heath’s performance as the Joker was awesome, and really encapsulated the character I don’t really think it was the drop-dead (bad choice of words…) acting job of the year. He did well and everything but keep in mind that he was going against the likes of Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder.
Since HBO is playing Dark Knight all of the time I notice this the more I watch it. He was good, but not BEST. ACTING. EVER!!!
I have to agree with this. I found myself missing Nicholson (“Where does he get all those wonderful toys?”). Jack seemed to be having a lot more fun being the Joker. Heath went for intense murderous whacko instead.
But wouldn’t someone who was having fun be totally out of place in the Nolans’ Gotham?
Well, yes, but that includes the movie goer.