Bogus stats. and bogus conclusion, based upon it.
Look, yes, in states with more guns, there tends to be more gun suicides. But not more suicides. So, more guns do not = more suicides.
States with most guns
States with most sucides
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/population-health/us-states-ranked-by-suicide-rate.html
Oh no! There’s no correlation…
Yep more guns mean more gun deaths …they don’t mean higher homicides, suicides, or even premature deaths in general.
Guess we have to take the hard route and look at actual causal factors instead of the scary guns scapegoat.
Giving me two links and claiming no correlation is lazy as fuck. Also, total gun count doesn’t really mean shit as one doesn’t need all 50 guns stashed under their pillow to blow their brains out when a single gun will do just fine. So, let’s do some actual correlation, without just tossing feces at the wall as you are doing.
Correlation between gun ownership rates and all methods of suicide
Hell, I’ll calculate the PPMCC if you really want.
Wow , cited yourself…lol
Call me convinced
Based on a survey with a sample size of 4000 nationally, no less, that’s some pretty serious extrapolation there.
I didn’t cite myself. I did the actual analysis, graphed it and published it. I even documented my data sources for both measures.
Since your previous post already showed your lack of expertise in statistical analysis (for fuck sake, you used per capita in one measure and raw counts in the other), I’m not going to waste my time educating you on sample size sufficiency, but what I will do is happily use whatever source of actual data you want for the ownership rates. 50 states, 50 numbers between 0 and 100. That’s all I need and I’ll redraw the same chart.
So, which gun ownership source would you like for me to use?
No need, just look at the top 5
Virgina #35 per capita suicide rate, #5 per capita gun ownership.
DC #2 per capita gun ownership, #51 per capita suicide rate
New Hampshire #3 PC gun ownership, #18 pc Suicide rate
Wyoming and new Mexico would be somewhat in the right neighborhood but your chart already looks like a blob rather than a line at this point.
Btw those numbers are based in actual registration according to the ATF , not some miniscule survey of 80 people per state .
One thing I see is that some of my neighbors ran out and bought pistols when the concealed carry law was loosened up in Michigan. I was asked to help a neighbor get some drywall from Lowe’s. He made a big show putting his gun on. I was laughing my ass off. He didn’t like my comments, but I talked to him about a year later, he hadn’t carried his pistol in quite awhile. It was like a status symbol. And the novelty wore off. I know of 2 other locals, after awhile, carrying 3 or 4 pounds of pistol and accessories got old. A lot of eye rolling from wives, also.
If you compare states where guns are legal and in large supply, to other states where, ha-ha, guns are also legal and in large supply, you are doing comparison wrong.
Try comparing countries with virtually few guns with countries (or states!) with relatively many guns. There are some outliers but if you do anough comparisons the overall trend is very clear with regard to gun deaths or gun klillings (whichever you want to discuss).
See, that’s the point. “gun deaths” or “gun killings” is bogus.
Look, you can look at "gun suicides’ and see places with more guns have more gun suicides. Not always, but there is some correlation. BUT, and this is the critical point- the places with more guns *don’t have more suicides. *
So yeah, if there are a lot of guns, more people will choose a gun to kill themselves (which I feel is their right). But in places with more guns, more people dont choose to kill themselves. In places with almost no guns, like Japan, they just choose another way to kill themselves. Reducing guns won’t reduce suicides.
The above analysis has a FTAS[sup]1[/sup] of 9000 and a LOE[sup]2[/sup] of 0.
My chart had a PPMCC of 0.47 with a p-value < 0.0001. So, while you might think it looks like a blob, it’s anything but.
While the data you provided has issues, as it’s simply based on a count of the number of registered firearms and doesn’t speak to the distribution thereof (if a single micropenis in Texas had all 588,696 firearms, the output would be the same as what you provided), it still shows correlation. PPMCC of 0.25 with a p-value < 0.0002.
I can do this all day
[sup]1[/sup]Feces Tossing Accuracy Score
[sup]2[/sup]Level of Effort
Right because a survey of 80 People per state , less than one per county is far more reflective than actual registrations.
Dude, I used the data that YOU provided[sup][/sup] in a response directly to you and there is still correlation. Put down the shovel.
[sup][/sup]As noted the data that you gave me has plenty of issues, but hey, apparently there are only about 5 million firearms in the US. Who knew?
Are you counting 2 states as a correlation?
No.
Before I waste any more time, can you give me your understanding of the term correlation as you are using it? I’m starting to feel like Inigo Montoya.
That would be a consistent rise in overall suicide rates In states which have a higher rate of gun ownership.
Which, would create a chart like your first one.
Not a crescent ish vertical line with a few outliers.
Which is textbook non-correlation.
So far almost every post you’ve made has been a deliberate attempt at misleading with semantics, or am attempt to cause your audience to conflate terms.
I’m not playing word games, the data just does not consistently support your theory.
National Research Counsel says what we’ve been telling you almost word for word.
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States, regions, and countries with higher rates of household gun ownership have higher rates of gun suicide. There is also cross-sectional, ecological association between gun ownership and overall risk of suicide, but this association is more modest than the association between gun ownership and gun suicide; it is less consistently observed across time, place, and persons; and the causal relation remains unclear."
But if you claim to be a better analyst than all of theirs, you’ve got a big hill to climb to prove that.
What I will give you is a wait period, though unconstitutional, actually made sense.
Studies do show many people purchase a gun for the purpose of suicide and that they are more likely to carry it out if done immediately.