Yes, and States, regions, and countries with more bridges have higher rates of bridge jumping suicide.
waiting periods are perfectly legal. And, I am not opposed if they arent too long.
Since it’s obvious that you don’t know the meaning of correlation, I’ll not even bother with that. If you want to change my mind, bring some actual data to the table.
I guess you’re having a hard time reading your own cites. I’ve bolded the money shot. That report (it’s actually a big-assed book titled “Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review”) doesn’t claim that there is no relationship, it simply claims that the relationship is more modest than the one between gun ownership and gun suicide. Just because we ain’t fucking doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a date. It has also been shown to be lacking in the years since it came out, but there’s really no use in posting any of those studies as you’ve shown no desire to actually take the time to understand them anyway.
That the causal nature of the relationship isn’t proven isn’t news to anyone who can actually participate in this discussion. For all I know, people with micro-weiners might be depressed and purchase guns to make them feel better (purely a hypothetical), but their depression wins out and they end up committing suicide. Could be that owning guns is expensive, causing money issues and increasing rates of suicide. Maybe some gun owners are too afraid to leave their houses and shoot themselves out of boredom. Don’t know, don’t really care for the purposes of this discussion. The correlation is there, whether we have causal answers or not.
My favorite part of this whole thing is that the vast majority of the published papers that were analyzed to create that report use the GSS as the source of gun ownership rates. Want to guess how many people are surveyed for that report?[sup]*[/sup] I’ll give you a hint: it’s far less than 4,000.
[sup]*[/sup]The largest number of participants was in their 2016 survey and it totaled 2,867. Hell, that’s less than 60 per state.
There you go again, popping your own differently defined words in there in an attempt to mislead.
Causal relation, not causal nature.
A mild cross sectional correlation that is not consistent when you you look at different times , places, or people
Hardly more guns mean more suicides , that s a , " we don’t know because the data doesn’t support it.
They also tell you that the number of people who seem to purchase a gun for the purpose of suicide is high enough to skew the numbers so far , which is why you can’t establish a causal relationship.
So yours and anyone else’s claim of more guns means more suicide is wrong, more guns mean more gun suicides…that’s all.
Maybe only some states deemed them unconstitutional, idk I just recall Ohio having to do away with background checks because they caused a wait time …until NICS was made instantaneous
And let’s clear up the meaning of your “moneyshot”.
A mild cross sectional correlation which is not consistently observed over time, people., Or location means only in certain instances if you combine just the right data points you can make a mild correlation.
Squint your eyes and tilt your head and look at it just right and sometimes it looks like it’s there but it can’t be causal because there are too many conflicting data points.
I have pulled data from various years to match up as closely as possible to whichever gun ownership data you keep tossing at the wall. I also have not filtered the data in any way, and have included all 50 states in all of my postings. Hell, if you provide some per capita gun ownership data that has multiple years, I’ll even set up a viz with the year in the drop down so that you can play with it yourself.
You very clearly stated…
I have simply proven that false (over and over again), no matter which data I’ve used (and I’ve used data that you provided) and no matter which time frame it represents. I can’t find a single year or source of data for which there is no correlation in the US.
Holy fuck, I just realized that you’re wall boy, so this is a complete waste of time. I’m going to nope the fuck out of here before I waste any more time.
Ciao!
Littleman seems unclear on what correlation means. This is high school math here. Barely – some of you probably covered this in middle school.
I’m new here, but it seems to me the OP was about a change in the voting for blue collar whites. Now it’s all about stats and suicides?
I agree as well. If abortion was off the table, a lot more republicans would vote democrat. However, would that make up for the depressed democrat vote? Probably not. I mean, democrats have no real place to go, the just wouldn’t vote. Its a fantasy land kind of thinking anyway.
The USA has more guns than people. If guns drove suicides, you would expect to see relatively high suicide rates in America but our suicide rates are not particularly high compared to other industrialized countries. In fact they are about average.
Access to guns does not seem to make suicides more common. However the method of suicide in America is HIGHLY affected by access to guns.
There is evidence that if people are forced to delay their suicide, that they often re-think or decide not to commit suicide - and that if they have an instant means of committing suicide that is virtually guaranteed to be fatal - i.e., gunshot to the head - that in a particularly heated moment of anguish they can snap and have a means of suicide that can get the deed done in seconds. So having less access to guns can force them to spend several more minutes planning or devising a way to off themselves, which can be enough time for a change of mind.
I would wonder then why the US is in the middle of the pack, wrt suicides, while countries that have limited or fully restricted access to guns and thus more time to think and, presumably less lethal means to enact their suicides have higher rates than us. It’s kind of a puzzle, no?
Sure, no doubt that happens once in a while. But it is not statistically significant.
Japan has NO guns but has a much higher suicide rate than the USA.
In many instances “Chicago” is code for “them darkies”.
So #30 (Japan) versus #34 (the US)?
No, 14 verse 27. From here.