So really your just trying to fan the flames then? Does that sound about right?
:rolleyes:
Yeah, he’s an idiot. He’s defending Der Trihs against me because of who we are, not because of the merits of the argument. He has nothing to say on the topic. In Great Debates it’s pretty well being debunked.
So now it’s “part of the brain = personality” and not “brain = personality”? Be careful there, I wouldn’t want you to throw out your back moving that goalpost.
Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Guin, do us all a favor. If you have nothing to add to a thread other than a “me too” that agrees with whichever side of the argument has more posters backing it, then don’t post. Just let it go. We’ll get by, really.
Well maybe he feels like I’m picking on him but I’m not.
And I’ll try to just keep my mouth shut as well.
I find someone who can’t back up hair brained theories to be far less intolerable than one who just repeats, ‘You’re stupid and immoral.’ over and over.
Oh please. Did you bother reading your last post? You’re trying to tell me I’m fanning flames? Potkettleblack.
Wow, it’s a projection convention. Don’t feel like an ass for acting like one, just project it onto others! If you actually bothered to read my arguments, and given your last response to them it’s obvious you aren’t, you would see that I was trying to respond.
And this whole ‘he said it, the brain is the personality’ is just splitting hairs. You know what he meant, and since you had no real argument against it you just jumped on it and twisted it every which way you could.
Well, have a nice evening. I hope you get some well deserved rest.
Amusing circling of the wagons by the theists on this latest page. Particularly after atheists were accused of it earlier.
mswas, I think that when hot said:
to which you replied:
he didn’t mean that he wants you to prove a claim that something other than the brain is actually responsible for personality. His question seems more to do with the other post about reasonable expectations resulting from the evidence at hand.
In other words, hot seems to be saying that there is plenty of evidence about the relationship between the brain and personality, and, given that evidence, is there a good reason to go any further than that evidence implies. This doesn’t seem like a strawman given the current dialogue.
Also, to whoever posted this before, how exactly does the colon affect personality? If the colon affects personality in the same way that the brain does, I would be more than a little surprised. For example, if you damage certain parts of the colon away, will a person become sexually promiscuous (as often happens when the hypothalamus is damaged)?
Regardless of whether or not the brain merely “runs” the personality or is the source, I think it’s pretty disingenuous to say the colon has a remotely similar hold on personality as the brain.
Just some QFT:
I think you’re engaging in the same strawman. I never once said that brain had nothing to do with the personality, in fact I said the opposite. I said that the personality is determined by brain processes, but that the two are not synonyms.
Yea, you’re not following the thread of the debate either. I asked for a cite on whether or not the brain and the personality were synonymous. He gave me the wiki link to Alzheimer’s. The point was that I gave him a facile argument in response to a facile argument. Alzheimer’s changes the personality by working on the brain. Colon cancer changes the personality by affecting your ability to expel waste materials, and causing excruciating pain. The personality is affected by pain and the chemical balance within the body too. Of course, pain is a nervous system response, but chemical balance is not. The result however is that the nervous system is impacted. So, giving me a link to a wiki article about a disease, does not constitute a valid cite as to whether or not the brain and personality are in fact the same thing.
I think you’re assuming that the thread of the debate is using your interpretation of what DT said regarding the relationship between the brain and personality. That being said, it might be more accurate to say that the thread of the debate has split on a point of semantics. The arguments on both sides pretty apparently aren’t talking to each other about the exact same thing any longer.
Yes, but what if you swapped it with another 454. Then swapped the tires for the same brand. And the seat. When does it become a different truck? That’s the problem I mentioned, which involves a ship which gets replace over time, piece by piece. Is it the same ship when it has no parts left from its first incarnation?
I thought I agreed that the brain is not the personality. But the personality depends only on the brain (and various other inputs.) And I assure you that you can touch a computer or processor which is fried, but it won’t be running any programs. A process is not the same as a computer, but when the computer dies the processes don’t go to some software heaven.
Hey, don’t forget the Druid’s “Source” as well. I’d hate you to think my opinion of you only came from one…what was the word again? Oh yeah, “typo”. :rolleyes:
Kisses,
MrDibble