The ethics and legality of keeping a turtle in my yard.

I just moved into a new house and it has a small lined ‘pond’. Because of watering restrictions, and expense, I don’t think I want fish in the little pond, but I’d like to have a turtle.

I understand either turtles, or perhaps those under 4 inches long cannot be sold, due to kids catching salmonella from them from licking them. Now I have no plans of having wild turtlelinguis orgies, I pretty much plan on leaving the thing alone aside from a daily feeding. I also understand many species of turtles cannot be captured legally from the wild, as they are endangered and used to make tortoise decorations by poachers. Some turtles are to delicate, and the stress of being moved will kill them. Others are just to mean to be handled.

Anyway, is anyone into turtles?

I don’t think your objection to tuturtlelinguis orgies goes well with your query as to is anyone into turtles.

I wouldn’t catch a turtle from the wild, but if you can get them at a pet shop why not. I also assume you would need a license. You will need to care for them probably a little more than just feeding (like purification of water to remove chlorine, etc).

IANA Turtle.

If you’re living in El Paso, keeping a turtle outside would be fine. The weather is warm practically year-round. You need to check with your local laws first about species allowed, zoning, etc., but if it’s okay, then go for it.

If you want pond turtles, you’ll need a filtration system to deal with the poop and the food debris. Also, absolutely no chlorine- they will become deathly ill from it and eventually waste away. Local pet shops are a good bet, but please, don’t shop at Petco, and don’t patronize a store where the animals are crowded are unhealthy- your turtle will likely be sick from such a place, and you’ll be supoorting a disgusting business. Look for a place with clean tanks, clean water, no crowding, and knowledgeable employees.

You’ll need to provide fencing for the turtles- about four feet will do, but check on the species- some can climb. Some also dig. Buy a bunch of books about turtles and try to learn as much as you can.

You can also keep tortoises, which cannot swim- if they get into water over chest level, they will drown, so I don’t know if this is what you want with your pond. Tortoises will also dig big holes in your yard. But they’re so damn cute!

Tortoises are usually strict vegetarians-(although hatchlings sometimes eat animal protein) feed them leafy greens and some veggies and fruits. They’ll also eat timothy hay and they’ll graze your lawn, so no pesticides. This goes even for pond turtles- chelonians cannot deal with chemical concentrations, it causes respiratory and gastrointestinal problems. Turtles are usually omnivorous, leaning more towards carnivorous- goldfish, earthworms, insects, and even mice for large specimens will be readily accepted.

But keeping turtles and tortoises, especially large ones, outside is a wonderful idea. Chelonians need exposure to UV light in order to synthesize vitamin D3; artifical lights work okay for smaller species. You will also need to provide shade for them- reptiles can and do overheat, despite their ability to maintain higher internal body temperatures than most mammals. A plastic dog house for the big guys, overturned flower pots for the little guys work pretty well.

Daily maintenance would include feedings, some poop-cleaning, and pond maintenance. Many chelonians learn to recognize their keepers and will come to the fence when it’s time to be fed. Some will even solicit petting by stretching their neck toward you.

Don’t take any animals from the wild- it’s more than likely illegal, and wild-born animals seldom adapt well to captivity except in very special circumstances.

Don’t keep different species together; don’t keep turtles of very diferent sizes together; and try not to keep males together, although females of most species seem to get along. (Males have longer tails.) My experience is mainly with Sulcata tortoises, with are very large chelonians (weighing up to 200 lbs. for a large male.) These guys dig huge holes, eat a huge amount, and poop correspondingly. But they are very docile and friendly, and quite intelligent. There is a harem of one male and three females at work, and one of the females likes to follow me around when I go in for observation.

Ummm…there’s so much more to tell, but my brain has left the building just now. Keep us posted, and good luck. There is so much info, good and bad, out there, I’m sure with just a little research you’ll know if turtles are right for you and what species and requirements are right.

As a turtle owner I think I can help you. Turtles need lots of care and there is A LOT to be learned in taking care of a turtle. Different kinds of turtles need very different setups.

First, I must say that you should never catch a wide turtle, always leave the wild, wild. If you want a free turtle you can adopt an unwanted one from Turtle Homes USA They can get you almost any kind of turtle you want. They take turtles from people (who have have given up keeping turtles for various reasons) and give them to others who want them. It is a great organization.

Second, if you are going to put a turtle in that pond I do know that you will need fencing. A large non-transparent fence to keep unwanted animals (neighbourhood dogs and cats) out and your turtle in.

Third, the only way for you to be a good turtle owner is read, and I mean READ like your turtle’s life depends on it. Here are some great links

turtlecare.net An outstanding site, great for starters.

TurtleTimes.com Your one stop site for turtle info and links.

Turtle times USA - Pond index Great info about turtles and ponds.

A Quick-Care Guide to Semi-Aquatic Turtles The name says it all.

An Overview of Common Semi-Aquatic Turtles Good for those who want to learn the basics.

All of these links are pretty general, when you have picked out a turtle (or a few turtles) that you like, study it.

I am troubled by Efrem’s bias against wide turtles. It’s this kind of person who has convinced turtles all over the country that they have to starve themselves in order to be attractive.

I am the owner of a Chinese box turtle myself. We just let her run around wild in the backyard, no pond or anything set up for her. She marches around eating snails in the garden and having a grand old time. No care necessary. Just watch out when you mow the lawn.

Of course, this situation came about gradually. We had to keep her indoors in a dry tank for the first year or two and had to give her a paste with her food because she wasn’t eating too well. Then we built a large cage outside where she lived for another few years, then she got big enough to be able to live on her own.

About turtles and ethics… suppose I find a common painted turtle wandering down the highway I live on, as I occasionally do, and I rescue it from being run over. Would it be unethical of me to bring it home and put it near the wetland/pond in my yard? I wouldn’t fence it in to keep it there, and we do live across the street from a river, so he could move on if he liked that better. I’d more like to encourage turtles to hang out in my yard than keep them there against their will.

Hey my turtle’s carapace is as wide as the next guys.

Come now, Efrem, are you really trying to tell me that you haven’t distributed copies of “Playturtle” centerfolds, with their unrealistic bodies, all over the yard? Or maybe tried to coerce your turtle into … gasp … shell-reduction surgery?

Build a water garden and they will come.
They bite off the leaves to the water lilies, the little snots.
However, they are just tryimg to make a living.
I live in the woods in USDA Zone 7. Your mileage may vary.

However, you would like to come get the snapper…