I need to find out the motive before i will say “life”, but many years at least.
One things that has been puzzling me is Chauvins motive. And that is critical for the DA to sell the jury on what level of homicide. Did Chauvin just lose it? Was it a personal grudge? Premeditated? Did he not know he was killing Floyd? It doesnt seem to be racial, oddly enuf.
We know Chauvin needlessly killed Floyd, so it is homicide, but what sort?
Absolutely, and even Bidens plan which would extend Obama care and make it free for the poor, and lower the age for regular medicare- is a step in the right direction.
I’m curious as to what exactly you think is so radical about Medicare for all, that goes beyond all other nations with uhc.
Medicare fro all is fine. Sanders plan, which has nothing whatsoever to do with medicare, is a crap plan
First all all, it outlaws private insurance, it will nationalize all the hospitals and most medical professionals. It includes stuff like dental and Vision, which other nations do not. No co-pays or anything- no other developed nation has zero out of pocket costs. It will ban all for profit healthcare.The government would set payment rates for drugs, services, and medical equipment.
https://smartasset.com/insurance/medicare-for-all-definition-and-pros-and-cons
Let me make myself clear- UHC is a great thing, if we could just borrow GB’s NHS or the Canadian system, i would be pleased. Or just REAL Medicare for all. But you not only CAN have UHC without Sanders plan- every nation that does have UHC has a plan less radical that Sanders does. UHC is GOOD. Sanders Plan- BAD.
And yes, it does piss me off that Sanders used a lying, deceptive name for his plan.
It’s negotiation.
You ask for more than you want, so that when you are done compromising, you at least get what you need.
If you start with just what you need, then you end up with less than what you need.
You can see this with the ACA, which started from a pretty far right position, it was the plan that was written up by Republicans. By the time it was through, it was pretty close to useless. It was better than we had, but only just. It certainly did not solve all the problems it sought to address.
So sure, I don’t like Bernie’s plan, and don’t think that it should be implemented, but I don’t have a problem with it being out there to very strongly point in the direction that we need to go.
Actually I mentioned Berniebro and that plan exactly once, not a few times, and only to say the shrill insistence of my way or the highway is why you have a problem.
And voila one mention gets distorted into many and a completely delusional field of straw men on things I never mentioned added to that.
This thread for me demonstrates why as a centrist R leaver, there’s no way to work with the far left. Shrill, puritanical purity ponies.
Yeah, but when you start with the cray cray, people dont take you seriously. Dont start with abolish the police.
Of course, it’s a misrepresentation of how negotiating works. A negotiating position that is far off is easily excluded and lost. But hey if they want to go with the Donald J Trump school of negotiating - the incompetent poser power method in his faux work Art of the non deal…
Obamacare was basically Romneycare which was a healthcare plan dreamed up by the conservative Heritage Foundation. It was literally a conservative plan to start.
They started with that and got less getting us the deeply flawed ACA because republicans went nuts whittling down their own plan.
They went nuts as it was the plan of that uppity n*****.
Yup yup. (I’d normally answer with one “yup” but the message board says that is too few characters so you get two yups.)
Look at RyanAdam and how he’s posting in this thread. That’s not exactly what I’d call sober, measured criticism. It’s clear that there’s no real productive conversation to be had there. And that definitely represents one segment of the “criticism” that the left receives from moderates, or even from homeless Republicans who can’t understand why the Democrats won’t just be a remake of the 1970s Republican party.
Other folks are engaging in measured criticism, and I welcome that; I hope that moderate Dems also welcome measured criticism, because I have that to offer as well 
I mean, the NHS privatized most hospitals and such too. Is the complaint that he wants to nationalize all of them? In that case, I agree, there’s room for private hospitals heavily regulated by the government to supplement public ones. And there’s definitely room for private doctor’s offices, dentists, etc.
Same with supplemental insurance, or dental/optic care (though I don’t think we should be telling people who can’t afford it “too bad, guess your teeth are gonna rot!”). And in fact while NHS dental isn’t free, it’s also quite cheap compared to what you’ll pay in America, even with insurance:
Is he asking for a bunch? Yes. Do I want all of it? No. Like i said earlier, I’m not as far to the left as Bernie, or AOC. But these ideas are ones we can discuss intelligently, they’re not off the rails crazy and suicide to even consider. Painting it as such because you think it goes a little too far is how you lend credibility to morons who think the ACA is socialism and is the sort of thing I’m suggesting is counterproductive.
Again, note that Sanders, AOC, etc are further to the left than I am. I don’t love all of their policies. But if you scream “Crazy Socialism!” Every time they open their mouth over what is genuinely minor matters of implementation you’ll move the Overton window so far right that you’ll never even pass the original Obamacare, even if its suggested by an elderly white man instead of He Who Must Not Be Named By The Right.
Yes. I think cosmetic surgery is the only thing not covered and still allowed. Even part of that is covered.
Yes, we can use some sort of dental.
We’re all on the same team in this game and share most of the same goals, but the guy who wants to throw a Hail Mary every play is bound to grate on the rest of the team that is content to just move the ball incrementally toward those goals. I don’t think you’re demonizing anybody by simply pointing out that their strategy sucks.
I think my stance is much closer to yours than to Bernie’s. I just don’t think referring to his proposal as socialist insanity is fair or helpful to getting what WE want passed through. My whole reason for posting the thread is that I believe we will see Biden compromise to the point where what you have proposed doesn’t happen either, precisely because of the way anyone left of Biden is portrayed as a crazed socialist.
Because AOC and her Squad is pushing it as MFA or nothing, that MFA is the end-all , be-all, and nothing else can be discussed.
Biden’s baby steps has a chance of working.
Do you have a cite for this? I was under the impression they’d be willing to compromise with a public option system.
This article seems to say she’d be willing to compromise while Bernie would not
There’s a false belief that some battered spouses have. If only they’ll say the right things, change their behavior, mollify their abuser, the abuser will become kinder, stop hitting them. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what drives the abuser, and it keeps the victim from acting in their best interest.
Some centrist Democrats have a similar belief about Republicans. Are Republicans accusing Democrats of being far leftists? If only Democrats will be more conservative, will advocate fewer policies, will become more like Ronald Reagan, the Republicans will stop their attacks! It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the modern Republican Party.
They called Joe Fucking Biden a far leftist, and if that doesn’t prove that it’s not about policy, nothing will.
Democrats need to stop acting as though they can end insane Republican attacks on them. Democrats can’t. Republicans are going to call Democrats America-hating far-left socialists who want to destroy white men, no matter what Democrats do. Democrats can’t change Republican behavior in this regard. All Democrats can do is to push good policy and persuade people that it’s good policy and get those who are persuaded to vote.
Not all criticism of the left is rooted in such battered-victim-mentality. But a lot of it–including in this thread–is; and every scrap of such criticism is nonsense.
Can I get some sort of cite that Bernie wanted to make private insurance illegal, and to privatize all hospitals? Because I just read his 100-page draft bill, and… Not seeing it.