The Float-Up Bar/Restaurant Shooter

Sounds like a massive pain in the ass. I would only want one if I could also afford to hire someone to do all that shit for me.

I think that’s the low end, but not too far off.

What I’ve come to really appreciate about mass shootings lately is that they are truly an American phenomenon. All races, ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations and wealth classes engage in mass shootings. In no other country are mass shootings so common, well certainly no other first world country, so it’s a distinctly American past time (unlike baseball). Straight people like killing a bunch of innocent people for no particular reason, but sometimes homosexuals engage in this sport as well

… and no one thinks much about it, well certainly not enough to pass any guns laws to.at least slow it down.

Like I said - that was at least 15-20 yrs ago. Just pretty impressive, tho, the amount of $$$ a fancy fishing rig on a trailer can represent.

That’s just the engine(s). So, yes. You can put a lot of money into a boat. As others have pointed out, used boats in the 18-22 range can be much more reasonable.

Back in the day, there were boat Repo guys who also worked with the insurance companies. They would fly over areas where the boat may have been sunk with a type of radar. If they found a boat, they would don SCUBA gear and head down to the wreck.

The first thing they’d look for is to see if the high-end ( aftermarket? ) equipment which had been installed on the boat at point of sale was still there… of if it had been stripped clean so the items could be sold at ‘Flea Markets’ etc.

A stripped clean boat meant no insurance pay out… foreclosure/repo with no equity… and Bankruptcy. I saw it a lot way back when.

Of course if I was a pro boat thief, I might well steal the boat, strip the portable valuables, then sink the remaining hulk in an effort to destroy the evidence. Or at least muddy the waters (heh :wink: ) about fingerprints, fibers, etc. that might be recoverable from a boat abandoned in a marina versus sunk.

Next, I’ll get you to drink boat drinks and say “Arrrr…!” :grin:

I have personally wasted away at the Margaritaville in Hollywood FL. Within sight of various boats that might profitably be stolen & stripped.

Does that count? :grin:

Ask the parrot on your shoulder…

Reminds me of Homer’s alter ego, Max Power (he got the name from a hairdryer).

PS- I miss Jimmy Buffett. I liked his music a lot. I ate at a few of his restaurants and had a great time. That said… at his concerts and in his restaurants the tables/seats around me were filled with so many hateful right wingers ( drunk, happy, stupid… but don’t try to talk to them about anything) .

I mean, ‘Math Sucks’ is funny as a song after you get home from work and realize that it’s been 30 years since you opened a text book… but you balance your checkbook, you pay off your credit cards, you understand interest, you don’t get scammed at the car dealership and you juggle your 401k investments to maximise return.

‘Math Sucks’ was meant to be a joke, not a lifestyle. Smart people know this and have fun with it… but there are a lot of stupid people who don’t.

From a European perspective, this is a strange thread: several completely innocent tourists who just wanted to enjoy a nice evening are shot dead in a restaurant by a highly disturbed individual. The SD posters here are primarily interested in the shooter’s boat: how much it might have cost, whether it was well maintained, which boats the posters like best, and how beautiful Jimmy Buffet’s music is. No one is interested in the people who were killed. Apparently, shootings are so commonplace in the US that no one cares about the victims anymore. For someone who lives in a country where you can only get a permit to carry a gun in exceptional cases, this is extremely strange. What is it like to live in a country where you can be shot even in a Walmart parking lot? I know everyone will jump on me now and tell me that America is the land of the free and the home of the brave, and that there is crime in Europe too. That may be true, but I still find the everyday nature of gun violence and its shrugging off by people frightening. Correct me if I am wrong.

When you live in a circus, you’re never surprised when you see a clown…and there’s nothing more terrifying than a clown.

You’re not alone. It’s like a discussion that’s drifted into “what’s the best spackle to fill the holes left by a mezuzah?”

That is pretty much it. The only protection any of us has is the law of large numbers.

I live near Chicago, which had just under 600 murders last year. Just about any weekend you can read of 20 or more shootings. Sure, you do your best to avoid certain areas at certain times, but other folk get shot driving down the expressway. And periodically there are shootings where someone opens up at a large party or a restaurant/bar.

For the most part, anywhere you go there is likely to be people carrying weapons - on their persons, in their cars, open or concealed. Not my preference, but it is one especially fucked up aspect of the fucked up society we have. It has been like this for so long, and there has been such strong resistance to any meaningful change, that the only thing left to do is discuss meaningless details - such as what boat was he driving.

Sure, a few innocent tourists were shot in that bar on that night. But that same night and every nght since, how many millions of people hung out at bars and DIDN’T get shot? Shootings are FAR too prevalent - but still not all that terribly common WRT how any specific individual leads their life.

Every day we kill ~100 people with cars. Substantially all of those are easily avoidable consequences of stupidity and selfishness. They are not all simple inevitable statistical consequences of the existence of automobiles.

Part of what is surprising to e.g. @LouMa is that cars and guns are equally ubiquitous here. You are always near one, even if you don’t know it. By far cars are the larger threat to life and limb. By comparison, guns are a rounding error.

@LSLGuy

I don’t disagree with you, but the reference to traffic fatalities sounds a bit like whataboutism to me. Anyway, my view is probably influenced by the fact that firearms are banned in our country, with the exception of police officers and shooting clubs (and even there, strict regulations apply to their storage). No one marches through a supermarket with a gun, perhaps even openly carried. The completely different life experience of people in the US seems to weigh human life differently.

In quite a few American TV dramas and movies, a gun is treated a lot like a magic wand. A complicated plot ensues, generally centered on some injustice - perceived or otherwise. And the protagonist is continually spat upon and misused until he shows up with a gun and then suddenly justice is obtained.

Really, once you identify this plot device you begin to see the universality of it and American entertainment becomes almost unwatchable.

This tends to swim around in the brains of the mentally ill - especially mentally ill men, as it tends to be men holding the guns in the dramas. That’s just how Hollywood does things.

So to answer your question: This guy had some perceived injustice done to him, so he went and got a gun and shot at people in the most dramatic manner he could think of. He “showed them.” And until we demand better plots and better gun laws things like this will continue to happen.

Your points are very well taken. We’re fish who don’t realize we’re wet. And you’re lizards who don’t (much) realize you’re dry.

@trucelt makes a good point about our drama; It mythologizes guns as the ultimate repair tool. There’s a saying from back in the wild west days (possibly apocryphal): “God Created Men and Sam Colt Made Them Equal!” Feeling small? Get a gun. Feeling helpless? Get a gun.

For me personally, I’ve always been a law of large numbers guy. One death is a tragedy, a million is s statistic. I’ve also predominantly lived in giant metropolises, where everything we collectively do, from creating garbage to buying pet food happens on a vast and impersonal scale. News is always about individual events affecting individuals and it’s all pinpricks.

I had a very ho-hum reaction to 9/11. It took just 10 days for US drivers to kill more people than the terrorists did. Then we did it to ourselves again, twice more that very month. Somehow the small one was an outrage and the big ones were (and still are) business as usual. I just don’t get the mismatch. We launched a recession, a stock market crash, a multi-trillion dollar 20-year war, and killed a million (?) people in other countries over the former. The latter? Yawn. WTF is wrong with our sense of proportion?

Maybe it’s just me.