I don’t think your link goes to where you planned it to. As I read it, your cite is an airplane accident that is not a collision and is not associated with Oshkosh.
Here’s a link to a bit from the same source about the midair
In an odd coincidence I heard a radial engine approaching here at home this morning. Went out to look and saw a bright yellow T-6 bank overhead at ~1200 feet. Continued south out of sight and earshot.
Unrelated to either of the above, the police not far from Oshkosh seem to have encountered the famed Florida Man.
So far from home; so little sense. He’s makin’ DeSantis so proud.
I was at Oshkosh earlier this week and watched the helicopters and gyrocopters flying together at the Ultralight area. I thought one of the helicopters was too close in trail. Wonder if it was the same person.
2 fatalities in the T-6 that went into Lake Winnebago. 2 fatalities in the helicopter that collided with the gyro-copter. The gyro-copter landed on an airplane on the ground with 2 survivors.
I have flown in and out of Cable as a teen. A shortish runway utterly surrounded by houses. There’s no good place to land nearby. Google Maps Link. Further, there’s nowhere on Earth it’s safe to stall/spin into. High VVI ensures the sudden stop at the end is final.
I used to run film through that airport when I was in the courier business. That’s when I first became aware of The Hat. Your only “good” choice if you lose power on take-off is a sharp turn to port and look for a soft spot among the rocks.
Yeah. El Monte & Fullerton were similar. Good luck dodging the power lines lining all the surface streets. Cable at least had the quarry where you might find a flattish-unobstructed spot.
I’ve been noticing the sound of (commercial carrier jets’) air brakes recently, and I’m posting to ask if something has changed that would explain me hearing it more often. It’s certainly possible that this sound has always been occurring, but my steel-trap memory doesn’t think so. I first moved to this `hood about 7 years ago. We sit about 5 miles from a major airport and under the approach path for one of the facility’s 2 parallel runways.
Within my years on the planet, I can’t recall a time I’ve heard a jet’s airbrakes before the relative silence of the pandemic’s empty skies. Now, I hear it all.the.time. It’s a squealing sound not unlike someone locking up their car’s tires on a paved street. I’d say it’s more of a banshee howl, though.
My musings/questions so far are:
-Procedural change, have the companies abandoned a stabilized approach, and now the planes hurl themselves at the runway and deploy the airbrakes at the last minute to damp their speed?
-Equipment change, is there something different about newer model planes and their brakes?
-Shape of the airspace? Speed limits changed?
-Density of the atmosphere? Density of my own cerebral gray matter?
“Airbrakes” isn’t a valid aeronautical term, so I’m trying to figure out what you’re meaning. I’m not complaining about your useage; laymen aren’t expected to know all the best terminology.
Are you talking about a noise when airplanes fly over, or a noise after they land?
Some airplanes, particularly A320s, have an engine model that at idle thrust produces a distinct howling noise. Perhaps something has changed about which airlines are deploying which kinds of airplanes to your airport?
Speedbrakes are high drag devices that are fitted to almost all high performance military aircraft as well as to some commercial aircraft types. In most cases, speedbrakes are fuselage mounted panels which, when selected by the pilot, extend into the airstream to produce drag. Dependant upon the aircraft type, the speed brake(s) may consist of a single panel or symetrically mounted pairs of panels. On the BA146, the speedbrakes are mounted on the tailcone. Speedbrakes may be used during the final approach to touchdown as well as after landing.
Better tell Hawker that. I’m looking at a cockpit photo of a Hawker 900 and next to the relevant lever it says “Air brake”. In the training materials, that’s the term they use too.
Thanks for the quick replies. The sound is coming from the planes while they’re on the wing, about 1000 feet off the ground and 5 miles from touchdown.
The term that Johnny_L.A linked to is what I was trying to describe. Apologies for the seemingly cryptic term. My quick googling led me to referring to them as air brakes. I didn’t question those findings because my buddy would talk about the “air brakes” when landing his Mooney.
What am I hearing as these large jets approach? Is it the rapid unwinding of the giant rubber band?
FWIW, I think both terms sound silly. ‘Air brakes’ are what you find on a truck. Or, obviously they’re air brakes because they cause drag to slow down. So it seems redundant. ‘Speedbrakes’? Um… Yeah. That’s what brakes are for.
But you have to call them something, and ‘spoilers’ was already taken.
The noise you are hearing is almost certainly the engines at idle, or being reduced to idle. During that slow-down (“spool-down” in the argot), excess output from the compressor part of the engine is dumped overboard through a set of fairly small ports. In the case of the engines on a 320-series airplane, that produces a semi-high-pitched howl that is not nearly as pronounced on other jets.
definitely a lot less power juggling along with reduced engine settings but it greatly narrows the window to flare if the engines are at idle. Ef that up even a little and it’s seriously hard on the plane.
