The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other)

Yikes! A couple of thoughts.

Preflight:
A preflight can be thorough or perfunctory. It ought to be thorough. On the occasions over the years that I’ve noticed some truly odd-ball anomaly I’ve often thought “I wonder how many times I overlooked this same thing on other days?”. I do know that over the years either I or my workmate have found various things that almost certainly were present on multiple previous flights yet show no sign of having been documented. And therefore probably went unnoticed.

There’s a mental list of typical anomalies you see often. That list gets reinforced. It’s the stuff you never see, or never even thought about the possibility of ever seeing, that (can) get overlooked. It’s also real easy to look without seeing, or to see the forest but none of the trees: in effect confirm “Yep, it’s the side of an airliner”, and not really process each feature of the visual scene looking for anomalies. That same effect also occurs in the cockpit and is one of insidious gotchas to always be on the lookout against. Humans suck at “always”.

A lot of what you’re looking at is down low and a bunch of it is neck-craningly way up high. There are also walking hazards on the ground: puddles, messes, hoses, perhaps moving servicing vehicles, so it’s real easy to find oneself walking the usual path completely around the plane but also not looking up at everything, just at most or some things up there.

A flight full of passengers would probably have found this during boarding. Or after engine start when the noise nearby would have been “lots”. Although even on the windows lacking the entire outer pane, the inner pane closest to the interior was in place and normal looking. Such that somebody sitting right there might not have recognized anything was amiss unless they were crewmembers or frequent fliers. Although at least nowadays, it seems most passengers keep the window shades closed the whole flight, so they may never have even been able to see the window panes at all.

A flight with few or no passengers means an especial extra effort to preflight the cabin from the inside should be taken. And apparently was not.


Pressurization:
It’s interesting, but not terribly surprising to me, that the airplane remained normally pressurized with two window outer panes completely missing and one partially detached.

Although they did not get to very high altitude, they did get the differential pressure up to ~5psi, while ~7.5 is the typical value at cruise. So roughly 2/3rds of the typical outward force was exerted on the windows and roughly 2/3rds of the airflow requirements versus cabin outflow vents, both planned and unplanned. Despite them being at high power while climbing, the outflow valve had all-but-entirely closed real early. Suggesting the pressurization system had little excess capacity remaining at that point to maintain normal pressurization had the climb continued.

I expect that somehow had nobody ever noticed anything amiss (e.g. if the two working pilots were the only people onboard) they probably would have suffered a slow decompression as they continued to climb. Punctuated by one of the inner, non-loadbearing, panes probably blowing out at some point leading to a quick, but not explosive, decompression to nearly ambient pressure at that time.

Had nobody noticed the problem until it became acute, this might have turned into one of those mysterious “Why did the crew pass out?” crashes. Although that would have taken even more bad luck than they already had, and also some crappy piloting as the situation would have developed.


Glad this one ended OK.

This reminds me of damage to an iconic aircraft from a similar cause.

This is, of course, the B-29 Enola Gay, at the National Air and Space Museum’s facility near Dulles Airport in Virginia. Take a look at the middle starboard Plexiglas canopy, just to the right of the reflection of the star and bars insignia on the wing of the adjacent plane. You’ll see a perfectly round circle in the windscreen.

That’s the outline of a small spotlight that was used for filming the interior of the cockpit at some point before the major restoration began in the 1990s. The light was placed directly against the window and the heat partially melted the Plexiglas, leaving that mark. Since the window was original, they decided to buff it and make it as unobtrusive as possible, rather than replace it with a non-original part. (They only do that when there’s no other choice.)

How do I know this? I worked at NASM for 12 years and heard it from one of the restoration technicians working on the plane.

To shorten LSL’s excellent explanation I would say a qualified no. Pilots aren’t looking for every possible aberration of the plane. It’s not possible. They’re primarily looking for mechanical issues. Windows are not mechanical. They’re structural. They are also far from the pilot’s view on the ground. Structural inspection can involve looking for specific changes in appearance for known issues or anything that looks wonky.

In this case “wonky” was a couple of windows that had the internal insulation melted away. if they were warped or had a gasket sticking out it would depend on their reflection compared to the other windows.

With that said they were using more than 1 400 deg light near an airplane and they were closer than they should have been. That’s a serious amount of heat. I’m also curious about the flight. They left Stansted to Orlando with 9 passengers? Assuming they were hauling cargo for revenue (which is a significant amount of money) it’s still odd to fly an almost empty plane that far. I’m wondering if it was a charter flight with the movie equipment and camera crew. I’m not sure why there was a Loadmaster on a passenger flight unless it was a tricky load that required special attention.

Another point @Magiver just made me think of.

The horizontal stab was damaged by flying debris. Suggesting the windows that were completely missing on postflight were in place and looking mostly / entirely intact at the time the preflight was done. It was only the combo of airspeed fore/aft loads and differential pressure outward loads on teh damaged windows that popped all three panes out partly and led, for whatever combo of random reasons to two of them departing the airplane completely.

IOW, what we see in the “after” pictures was not what was there to be seen had anyone taken a “before” picture. It might have been fairly obvious, or it might have been very subtle or even simply invisible from 15 feet away standing down below.

I also think it’d be a darn good idea for them to replace two or three more windows both fore and at of the overtly damaged ones.

As to the flight’s mission and payload. …
Everyone on board was an employee of the airline or an affiliate of the airline. I suspect that this was a start-up airline, or a start-up of that airline’s service to Orlando. So they spent a day with some airline crewmembers, maybe some cuter models, a camera crew, and an shiny newly painted jet taking pictures in London.

Then they loaded up all those folks and all that crap and set off for Orlando. Intending to take more publicity pics there. Probably with additional stops after that then eventually retuning to London.

Instead events intervened.

A similar incident from back in September, but it doesn’t appear to have been discussed at the time.

Yes of course, you’re absolutely right - I completely withdraw my (mild) implied criticism of the pilots for not noticing this in advance. Though as you and Magiver have rightly said, it’s also quite possible to miss such things even with conscientious pilots doing a thorough pre-flight inspection. I’m not a pilot but the same thing happens in my line of work (words and numbers). In particular, typos in titles, in huge font, are often the easiest to miss.

A woman in Australia missed her flight, so she ran onto the apron in an apparent attempt to get the pilots to stop and let her on.

If they can resist the temptation to paint it with rocket fuel maybe they’ll have better success than the Hindenburg.

I initially made the same mistake and my whole first post was written on the assumption the “after” pic in the accident report was how it looked on preflight. I totally missed the part about a) that being an “after” pic, and b) the stab being damaged by window(s) departing the aircraft at speed.


@PastTense: The article on Pathfinder carefully omitted the intended payload. Which is probably trivial. The problem with airships is that as vast as they are, they have shitty payloads. It might be 3x as long as a 737, but it probably carries 1/3 the payload at 1/10th the speed. IOW, 1/30th the productivity in round trip service, and 1/60th in one-way & return empty service. The latter being commonplace if the destination is an unprepared / austere area such as a wilderness camp, remote mine, or military near-front destination. Which is pretty much the only reason to use an airship over a jet.

I think airships are romantic as hell for a variation on a “love boat.”. A slow trip along the incredibly scenic Bahamas into the Carribbean islands while eating, drinking, and f***ing your way there in first class surroundings would IMO be a big hit. Ditto the Med, southern France, or the US / Canadian west coast. Hauling tons of stuff to an Arctic diamond mine after global warming turns the ice roads into slush roads, not so much.


@WildaBeast: I recall a flight where a woman with a dog destined for the cargo hold managed to get down the jetway ladder to the ramp and wanted to check on her doggie’s safety and be sure he/she and the crate was actually loaded, not left behind. Quite the horde of ramp people cornered her and led her back to a safe place. We did take her, and doggie, to wherever they were going. That was an earlier and more innocent era however. Once engines are running the scenario changes from comical to potentially suicidal. Inadvertent or otherwise.

Seems to me that a helicopter is the better comparison. They also have terrible payload capacity and speed compared to a jet… and yet they’re still commonplace. An airship could have much larger capacity and range than a helicopter. Transporting large equipment (transformers, wind turbines, etc.) and dropping it directly into place seems like an excellent use case. And it can station-keep for far longer than a helicopter.

Just the usual low-quality tech reporting. The LTA website has the information:

The term “payload” refers to the amount of people or goods an airship can carry. It is calculated by subtracting the weight of the airship from its gross lift, and varies depending on factors like duration of the trip and altitude of the flight. We expect Pathfinder 1’s payload to be between 2,000 kg and 5,000 kg, depending on the final weight of the airship and the individual mission.

So, not great, but also not quite trivial. And it’s just version 1.

The killer for LTAs is their extreme sensitivity to wind. And precip, but especially wind. Those remote parts of the world blessed with benign weather can certainly find a use for an LTA. The often-foul Arctic, Antarctic, Southern Ocean, or North Atlantic, not so much.

A mere 737, smallish airliner though it is, has an all-cargo load out of 50-80K lbs. so ~25-40K kilos. So my ~10X payload ratio is not far off.

You’re right that that’s a v1 machine. The problem with passive lift is the only way to increase lift (beyond simple vehicle volume growth) is to lighten the structure. They’re already silly light = flimsy per unit volume. IOW, not a lot of room for v2 to do greatly better absent many, many cubic meters of high-dollar unobtainium to use for the structure.

The deeper problem is that Earth’s atmosphere is just barely dense enough to make LTA possible, so it encourages trying to make the impractical practical.

Plastering the surface with lightweight, high-thrust, muti-axis electric props (as they’ve done) should help a great deal, I think. Of course, they’re still highly vulnerable to significant weather, but we have a pretty good handle on predicting that these days as well (compared to the golden era of LTA vehicles).

The Pathfinder 3 is supposedly 600 feet long (from 400). That’s 3.4x the capacity (assuming proportional scaling), and probably more assuming that mass efficiency increases with volume (it should).

I am disappointed they aren’t using hydrogen. It’s not a huge difference, but it’s not nothing either, and helium is scarce. I think it could be made perfectly safe these days.

Third paragraph from the end: “While Pathfinder 1 can carry about four tons of cargo in addition to its crew, water ballast and fuel…”

Another Apollo astronaut is gone:

In all, the FAA logged 23 serious near misses at airports in the budget year that ran from October 2022 to September 2023.

Non-paywalled MSN repost:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/air-traffic-controller-fatigue-a-factor-in-airport-near-misses-senate-panel-told/ar-AA1jFO7r

(Video is clearer in link)

Huh. At a glance, it would be hard to distinguish by silhouette from its predecessor B-2 Spirit.

More in depth here with higher definition photos.

Commercial Aviation

I found this interesting: The largest engine on a B777–300ER is 155.6 inches by 154.56 inches in diameter, while the outside diameter of the fuselage of a B737, B757, B707, and B727 is 148 inches. So the 777’s engine is bigger around than the fuselage of a 737, 757, 727, and 707.