The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other)

Or the B-36, 6 turning - 4 burning:

As an airworthiness nerd…the whole description of the modification in the article just hurt to read. Yeah, I know it’s a lot of paperwork and testing, and yeah ferry permit applications are annoying, but holy shit there’s an actual reason the rules exist.

General aviation has a history in tinkering and mechanics just figuring things out, and there’s some value in keeping aviation accessible in terms of opportunity, but there’s also some pretty clear airworthiness rules and procedures for this type of modification and it sounds like none were followed.

I don’t know who has responsibility for recovery here, but the alleged negligence makes me side with the widow. I’d be livid as well and would want my spouse’s body recovered, along with the evidence. I hope she finds justice and peace.

I was looking for any reference that Brin made promises. It appears that the company that operated the plane made promises.

We’ve gone around this bush umpteen times in other threads.

When there’s a negligence suit, you sue everyone even tangentially related to the event. Let the judge sort out who’s got actual legal responsibility and who doesn’t. Which often can only be determined after a thorough trawl through everyone’s records.

had to snicker at that YT comment:

It’s called the Large Person Albert now.

I thought I remember reading somewhere (no idea where, though) that they “moved” at about 4000 mph. At least your number has some math behind it.

Sounds like a handful. It had the world’s largest unofficial speed brake. Only used once and it was for what it was originally designed for.

Is joint and several liabilithy in play here? In such cases, it’s common to throw a tangentially inolved person into the case if they have deep pockets.

The judge could find the pilots 30% liable, the company that operated the plane and did the mods 69% liable, and Sergei Brin only 1% liable because he should have used a little more diligence in hiring the company or something. In which case, if the first two parties have shallow pockets, Brin could wind up paying 99% of the damages despite being only 1% responsible.

More often, “two turning, two burning, two smoking, two choking and two more unaccounted for”.

Love that.

The jet engines on the B-36 had louvers on them and were closed in flight when not in use.

I would say they deliberately tried to fly under the radar to save time and money and probably made that worse by not testing it ti ensure it was functional. It could be something so simple as a hidden breaker that popped preventing the pumps from working.

Found this, not a whitewash. Below is someone’s summary of the PDF.

Pakistan released the final report on the 2020 Karachi A320 fatal crash.
– crew did not conduct mandatory landing briefing, being occupied with discussion of pandemic
– crew cross-configured the flight management system, combining holding pattern with glide slope acquisition
– crew mistuned the ATC frequency with temporary loss of communication
– crew removed the holding pattern without assessing aircraft stability ???
– approach slope at 6 degrees instead of required 3 degrees
– ATC saw excessive slope and advised abort & circle, which was refused
– crew lowered landing gear, but aircraft refused due to excessive airspeed, which went unnoticed
– autopilot authority was exceeded and disconnected, after it forced the nose down 13 degrees to achieve the glide slope
– at disconnection, a slew of alarms sounded including overspeed, slats, ground proximity, and master warning
– gear not down warning sounded, but not noticed
– at 7 feet & 200 knots, thrust reversers commanded, but aircraft refused as reversers cannot engage while in flight.
– aircraft touched down on its belly and engine nacelles, causing extensive damage
– crew executed go-around with intention to circle and land with gear down
– engines began to fail and were throttled back, then forward as stall warnings sounded
– aircraft stalled and crashed short of the runway, with total loss of life

From the report - the Capt had below average intelligence, with little regard for authority. His level of stress comprehension was also quite inadequate.

Not so long ago it was discovered that the majority of PIA pilots had forged or “purchased” ATPLs. An airline to avoid at all costs.

Adding on to above.

At one point, the first officer advised aborting the approach in accordance with ATC, but the captain responded that ATC will be surprised at how well we do this.

Jesus. What a mess. Minor correction, they did put the gear down and it did extend, however later during the approach they put it back up again.

This Airbus Safety First article is relevant, and may even have been inspired by the accident.

This was true.

ATC, and all observers, were surprised (and horrified) at how well the landing was done.

WOW. That would be an unbelievable movie plot.

The report says literally “had below average intelligence”. Can that really mean IQ < 100? I’d have thought it impossible for such a person to make airline pilot even in the most corrupt system.

I don’t know… they let me fly at a regional.

Seriously though, it doesn’t take any great intelligence to fly an airplane, even at the professional level. But I would say, if true, it might have been a factor in the guy’s perception of risk and prioritization of tasks.

How would you get past simulator tests? Surely they had to fly under emergency conditions.