The Great Ongoing Aviation Thread (general and other)

The front didn’t fall off, but a window up front did open…on takeoff roll of a Delta 737

Landing passenger plane comes within 10 feet of another passenger plane waiting to take off.

Nice Côte d’Azur Airport

It was poor visibility and the landing aircraft was on the wrong approach.

Can you expand on that.

Linky just goes back to this thread.

Thanks. Updated link below

Nice Côte d’Azur Airport

Ref the landing / taking off overflight in Nice …

The tentative early summary is the weather was bad, solid IFR. Easyjet taking off was staged in takeoff position on 4R. The approaching Nouvelair airplane was supposed to land on 4L but was in fact lined up on 4R. With the weather, that’d be a matter of them following an ILS or RNAV approach, not visually as was the case in the infamous Air Canada SFO close call.

Which brings up an interesting change due to GPS. In the days of ILS, each transmitter was controlled by the tower. At least in US practice, in low weather they’d be sure to turn off the transmitter(s) for all runways not being used for landings. So (absent controller error*) it was impossible to follow the ILS signal to the wrong runway. If the pilots misunderstood or goofed and set up for the wrong approach they’d find no signal to guide them and that technical / mechanical problem would force a resolution a few miles out, not right down at the runway.

With GPS approaches, there is no “off” switch. If the crew thinks they should be doing 04R, they can do the entire procedure with no showstoppers. There are a bunch of procedural obstacles to those mistakes, both in the air and on the ground. But with enough tries around the world every day, eventually one mistaken attempt will slip through all the safeguards and proceed down close to the runway. Oops.




* Thereby hang a couple of war stories for another day.

Try this and their cites: How To Recover From A Stall In An Autogyro.

A small plane crashed in southern Washington yesterday.

The Clark County Sheriff’s Office said at least one person died in the incident, though their identity is currently unknown.

I’m guessing it’s the pilot.

Some outdoorsy sort is out hiking in the wilds of Washington, miles from another human, just happily communing with Nature and all, and wouldn’t you know it but a plane falls on him squashing him flat. Which squashing was just enough of a cushion to ensure the pilot stepped out of the wreckage unscathed. And with a bunch of handy outdoorsman gear piled right there at the crash site :wink:

Odds are you’re right and I’m wrong. :grin:

I just love Captain Obvious statements by police spokesfolks. Sometimes they’re stuck saying stuff they know is CO. Other times they do it unwittingly. Those are the best.

I’d have to watch the video in the article again (except I don’t really like watching videos for information), but I think the KOIN reporter said ‘small-engine airplane’. I mean, she wasn’t wrong. (Or I may have mis-heard.)

You’re all used to (fixed wing ) aircraft taxiing down to the end of the runway & lining up to await their turn to get onto the runway & take off, that’s what makes this photo so damn funny.

We took off from the grass alongside the main/crossing runway in very light low winds so most of the pilots opted to give the crowd a show & stayed low & slow & then landed on airport property also(to avoid the hassles of chasing on a couple of overly crowded roads) & then laid down & packed up on the dry, paved surfaces.

Hot aircraft.

I’ve occasionally found myself wondering whether ATC computers include some sort of “This pilot looks to be straying far from where he should be.” alert.

Does that sort of technology exist?

It does. But it’s not active everywhere all the time and there are plenty of places where tracking exactly what the airplane ought to be doing isn’t practical.

But it does seem plausible that in the reasonably near future they could add a feature that tracks intended approach paths, or else put a narrow no-fly zone upstream from a runway intended for takeoffs only and alarm on approaching airplanes intruding into that zone.

If there’s need enough. As always these sorts of changes cost real money on a worldwide basis and take years to decades to design, implement, test, install and train the worldwide user community on how to deal with it.

To some degree the worldwide aviation industry & governments has a single budget for paying for ongoing safety improvements. So a gizmo / software feature like this will of necessity be crowding out something else that could be done instead. As such the smart method is for these ideas to be prioritized in terms of dollars per life saved. I have no clue where something like this idea falls versus the rest of the list.

I didn’t want to hijack the Epstein thread, so I’m asking here. Trump has announced he is declassifying files about Amelia Earhart. Why should they have been classified? What might we learn from these?

There’s a conspiracy theory that Earhart and Noonan were on a spying mission for FDR. There was a movie about a woman aviator who was spying on the Japanese, so that might be where the CT came from. The CT has been debunked, but conspiracy theorists tend to take debunking as evidence that the CT is true.

That Trump is NOT in those files unlike others he won’t release. It is Trump yelling “Look over there!”

You can gas, gas, gas!

If there isn’t a safety procedure to replace this then they should go back to ILS approaches in bad weather. There are just too damn many clear-weather near-misses to ignore the inevitable in bad weather.

And ADS-B was supposed to be in the mix here somewhere.

Call Haley Joel Osment, because there has been another icy dead people.