The Great Ongoing Space Exploration Thread

And so are half the public figures out there. Politicians, actors, business people, activists… Narcissists abound. So what?

The Elon hate is getting pretty crazy, and so are the arguments justifying it. He’s not a saint, he gets lot wrong, nut he’s done a tremendous amount of good for the world, and continues to do so.

Just because you’re a narcissist doesn’t mean you’re bad at everything. :laughing:

(Or some strange play on having paranoia. I guess that joke didn’t quite land. They can’t all be winners.)

Mocking isn’t hate. Elon invites it, relishes it. Bathes in it.

One could say it is his essence, his scent, daresay his musk…Ode de Conceit, available on QVC and The Shaper Image stores everywhere.

Stranger

Welcome back, Stranger! It’s been a while.

So, what does the office pool have to say about whether SLS flies on the 14th? Or this year?

It had better. There are two limits it’s running up against: It no longer has any ‘rollbacks’ left without a waiver, and I believe the side boosters technically expire in December. They’ve been stacked for two years now, and originally were only certified for a year. Last year a waiver ws given to extend their stacked life to two years, and this December is it.

If there’s one thing NASA’s good at, it’s planetary and deep space exploration. But if there’s two things they’re good at, it’s that plus convincing themselves that they can stretch the envelope by just a little bit more because they haven’t seen a problem yet.

Yeah. And we all know how well that ended up the last few times they did it.

Indeed…it is this very tendency we’re telling students about, in the space flight ops class this semester (Purdue). As it directly contributed to both the Space Shuttle disasters. “Normalization of deviance” is the term. A great summary read on the topic is Feynman’s Appendix F to the Rogers Commission Report (on the Challenger Disaster).

Moderating:
After noticing that not only did you insult another poster:

You also insulted the disabled:

I’m upgrading that mod note to a formal warning.

Insults of the innocent, and of your peers, don’t belong on MPSIMS.

Sorry this took so long. I’ve been at an IRL event.

Nevermind. I see what you were referring to.

Space X tested the super heavy today, 7 million pounds thrust.
I can see a pad that weighs over 7 million pounds, but what can withstand such force to hold the booster down?

The Saturn V first stage produced slightly more thrust than the super heavy. They managed.

What mechanical means is used to hold the rocket on the pad? Is there a steel structure fastened to the pad, and in turn to the rocket?
Thanks

I can’t speak to the Super Heavy, but here’s how they did it with the S V first stage (7.5 million lbs thrust)

Thanks again.

The Super Heavy has 33 engines at 500k lbs thrust each for 16.5M lbs. The Saturn V was a mere 7.9M lbs thrust.

Yesterday’s Super Heavy test was only 14 engines, so slightly less than the Saturn V. They’re still ramping up.

Ah, thanks. I was going from carniverousplant’s figure.

No problem. Yeah, it wasn’t clear that it was only a partial test. Still, impressive that they’re in the same ballpark with less than half the engines being fired. It will be a beast.