Isn’t this like way-y-y-y over. It’s so pre-election.
Perhaps it’s that the Auschwitz camp had only one purpose, and lower Manhattan doesn’t. The WTC was an architectural landmark and a major financial businessplace before it was destroyed. I don’t know how far the Auschwitz death camp is from anything else in the area, but that’s one consideration.
The convent was placed in a building that was acdtually on the grounds of the camp, (it had been used as a warehouse to store gas).
In addition, when the nuns had originally moved in, there was not much of a reaction, anywhere, but about a year later, some Catholic lay group tied a visit by the pope to a different European country with a fund raising campaign that focused on the convent.
When some Jewish leaders expressed displeasure, particularly since Auschwitz is often considered the epitome of the death camps in recent history, a number of Poles decided that they were going to make an issue of it by insulting the Jews, erecting numerous crosses on the land, and declaring that Auschwitz had been the site of the murder of Poles, not so much Jews.
Whatever might have happened with the initial convent if there had been no publicity, the resulting furor, (accompanied by the blatant anti-semitism among some of the Poles), made the issue a much more serious one.
While letting a few Catholic sisters live in a former warehouse at the edge of the property, (similar to several other convent/camp associations that were established with no protest), might have been either acceptable or an unfortunate choice, defending their presence with lies about the number of Catholic Poles who had perished and minimizing the Jewish losses was a rather nasty reaction.
The Nazis did execute a number of Catholic Poles in Auschwitz, including Saint Maximilian Kolbe, but the reaction of some anti-semites, including Archbishop Glemp, (similar to the reactions of people like Glenn Beck who was willing to lie about the community center to pump up his own ratings), pushed the discussion into the realm of offensive insult.
I have no dog in this particular fight, but I can’t help but notice that a lot of you folks are saying that we shouldn’t ban this building. Methinks that you’re all missing the point.
As has been pointed out a few times now, nobody’s saying that it should be banned. Certainly not the OP. Heck, the very title of this threat admits that. It says, “The ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ can be built, but should it?” (Emphasis added.)
So please, can we put a halt to all these rebuttals that say we shouldn’t ban its construction? Nobody here is saying that we should.
Well, then the OP has been answered. If there’s no valid reasons why it shouldn’t be built and some valid reasons why it should, then it should.
Sure. While we’re at it, can we stop using the term “Ground Zero Mosque”?
If the building gets built (as I hope it will), and people protest (in a legal and peaceful fashion), I will continue to get pissed off at them. What I will not do is attempt to deny them their right to protest.
I’d be okay with that. That’s why I avoided using that term, except insofar as I quoted the title of this thread.
Except it is a ground zero mosque. The building was condemned because of damage from debris from one of the 9/11 airplanes. As a community center with worship, it’s essentially a mosque. The organizers have ties to (and sympathies with) terrorism. The name itself is representative of victory of Muslims over other cultures.
Given the trend of jihadi tourism, I don’t think we need to put a jihadi memorial next to the 9/11 memorial.
Translation: “I have the attention span of a newt and read only the first and last posts of this thread.”
I don’t know how you managed that “translation” – I read all the posts. Would you like to respond, or do you just want to hurl insults?
Were they posts in this thread?
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Monty, do you know the history of Cordoba?
You certainly don’t.
Then edumacate me. I know what I think the Mosque of Cordoba is. I’d be happy to be proven wrong.
I’d love to edumacate you, it’s been a while since I’ve indulged in such vices.
On the other hand, you could just link to the nearest wiki page detailing both the Cordoba Mosque and most especially Muslim Andalucia and learn why an organization supposedly dedicated to building bridges being monotheisms would chose a name refering to that era (like being one of the most tolerant episodes, given the times, of interreligion cooperation).
Ohare Airport has a chapel where travelers can worship, that doesn’t mean it’s a church.
You pretty much covered that area with your previous post.
Despite provocation, we will refrain from insulting other posters in this forum.
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