The "Gulf of America"? Wth? Can you just change the name of a body of water?

You’re assuming far too much good faith.

He’s approaching this the way the Russians do. Spread as much ridiculous bullshit as possible to drown out the real news, so that everyone assumes that everything is a distraction.

Trump is still nearly two weeks away from being sworn in. The news cycle doesn’t last two weeks. By the time Trump takes office, no one will remember this nonsense.

But it’s doing a fantastic job of distracting us until Inauguration Day. And if it normalizes the idea of annexation for when Putin and Trump have had enough chest thumping and settle on an (incredibly unfavorable) peace deal in Ukraine, all the better.

When John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, Jackie Kennedy suggested that changing the name of Cape Canaveral to Cape Kennedy would be an appropriate tribute. Lyndon Johnson agreed and promptly ordered it.

There were two small complications. One was that Jackie Kennedy apparently meant the space facility, which Johnson misunderstood to mean the entire hunk of land between the Indian and Banana Rivers. Secondly, the area had been known as “Canaveral” since the time of the Spaniards and the people of Florida, particularly those in the town named Cape Canaveral, were very attached to it. In 1973 the Florida legislature passed a law renaming the land mass “Cape Canaveral.” The U.S. Board on Geographic Names and the Kennedy family went along with it, the Space Center was officially named the John F. Kennedy Space Center and all was put right.

I wonder if this is all part of a scheme to push Trump Maps. We have a Trump bible, why not an official Trump map? Trump pushes for a change in the name and his map is ready to go for his ever loving public. They’ll sell like golden shoes and bibles!

I honestly thought you were going to say “rename it as the President Donald J. Trump Expressway.”

Plus, it will feature newly-renamed American cities: Los Trumpeles, Trumpcago, Trumplanta, Trumpadelphia …

More seriously, will any mapmaker pay attention? Especially if they’re not in the US? I can see the British Cartography Society (or whatever body is in charge of British maps), saying “Forget it; we’ll still put ‘Gulf of Mexico’ on our maps.”

What will Trump do about that? Slap tariffs on British tea, say?

Oh, wait …

The City of Trumperly Love?

How about another Trumpington?

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Otisburg…

Vanceburg.

There are a lot of maps produced by the U.S. government.

There are maps shown on FoxNews.

As for the major legacy U.S. television networks, I think that is a question. Would they be brave enough to defy Trump on this? I think — No.

This was a trial balloon. Trump may chicken out for fear that inconsistent maps will make him look weak. Or not.

But it’s not nationalistic. This whole side of the planet is America. The U.S. just decided to co-opt the name for itself. It still means all the major landmasses in the western hemisphere.

I imagine someone told him that because of conditions in the future (but did not say climate change) Greenland is going to be ripe for exploitation and making lots and lots of money. Of course, he wants in on that.

Well the man is nowt but a real estate trader and by the time the Greenland plateau is ripe for exploitation Mar-a-Lago will be inundated to a substantial depth. A man’s gotta live somewhere.

I do not know where you live, but, in the U.S.A., when the word America is used without qualification, it means the U.S.A.

Or are there are some college campuses that are exceptions?

Isn’t it United States of America?

Now I’m hoping that other countries change their names. The Canadian Provinces of America, The Mexican States of America, The Brazilian States of America. Make America Great Again!

Breaking news

Chuck Schumer can eat a bag of dicks. How is it that every single Democratic Senate leader in my lifetime has been an absolute dipshit?

Ah well, scratch an American and you’ll usually find a hegemonist.

If Trump really does go ahead with an official effort on this, the aftereffects will be entirely political and will have nothing to do with mapmakers’ opinions or objective cartographic conventions. Compare the longstanding effort to rename the Persian Gulf as the Arabian Gulf, which I had never heard of until my Iranian-born wife told me about it.

The short version is, back in the late 50s into the early 60s, as Middle Eastern countries began leveraging their petroleum wealth and emerging on the world stage, pan-Arab activists were advocating for regional alliances that would allow them to maximize their power and influence. Iran, for historical reasons, was the odd country out, so the idea arose to rename the Persian Gulf, long known as such, as the Arabian Gulf, as one of several tactics for marginalizing Iran in the region and inflating global perception of Arabian identity.

A few countries signed onto the proposal, but then it never accumulated wider acceptance beyond that. Nevertheless, the countries that did adopt the new name took it very seriously, and have maintained the position to the present day. It has nothing to do with maps, and everything to do with political alliances and diplomatic deference. If you want to do business with or in one of these countries, they expect you to respect the Arabian Gulf convention in dealings with them. If you want to signal you’re a more serious ally, you adopt the new name on a wider scale.

For example: Officially, the US position is to retain use of the “traditional” name in state publications (or one of its variants, like “Gulf of Iran” or “Gulf of Fars”). However, whenever American military operations are conducted in one of the countries advocating for the new name, US personnel follow standing orders to say “Gulf of Arabia” or “Arabian Gulf” when interacting with their hosts. Military publications still refer to the Persian Gulf, but in face-to-face meetings, the host country’s preference for the new name is respected.

Wiki link with more information.

Presumably, if Trump does actually order his people to try to make the “Gulf of America” thing stick, a similar divide will emerge, driven entirely by political calculation.

Edit to add a postscript: Yes, I do amuse myself by teasing my wife with “accidental” references to the Arabian Gulf. She doesn’t think it’s especially funny, of course. :laughing: