…not really. “Kamate” hasn’t changed at all. Kapa O Pango was the new haka, introduced for the All-Blacks in 2005, and is performed when the All-Blacks really mean business. Kapa O Pango had the gesture that was interpreted by a few as a “throat slitting” action, so they toned it down a bit. The two versions are below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2S1uKDHX4gThere does not seem to be an apology forthcoming for this post…
The US nation national anthem is not about war, it is obviously a drinking song. The first stanza (of six) goes
To Anacreon in Heav’n, where he sat in full Glee,
A few Sons of Harmony sent a Petition,
That he their Inspirer and Patron would be;
When this answer arriv’d from the Jolly Old Grecian
"Voice, Fiddle, and Flute,
"no longer be mute,
"I’ll lend you my Name and inspire you to boot,
"And, besides I’ll instruct you, like me, to intwine
“The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus’s Vine.”
It was used as a test: if you could sing it, you needed another drink.
Woot!!
Go the All Blacks!
The first to win back to back world cups
The first to win three world cups
Probably the most successful team (franchise?) in the history of any sport. The All Blacks dominate rugby in a way that virtually no team every has in the history of sport.
The Haka is more than a performance, more than a dance and more than for the fans.
Do a google and see when and for what the Haka is performed in New Zealand.
The complaints invariably come from two quarters
- Those that don’t understand
- Those that are jealous of the ABs and want to be controversial
Hey, I’m a foreigner and even I know those lyrics ! They go like every national anthem’s second verse :
Laaannaaaaa naneener
Mumblemumblemumble (x5)
MumblemumblewaAAVE
O’er THE LAND OF THE FREEEEE** AND THE HOME OF THE BRAAAVE**
…there are plenty of Kiwi’s who understand exactly what the haka is all about and they complain as well. And they are entitled to complain and it is their right to complain.
People aren’t “jealous.” Most just think it is silly. The best that you can do is to explain what it actually is all about, and if they still think its silly, well who cares? But throwing out accusations of “jealousy”, (just like the guy on the other page who said that if you mock the haka you “run the serious risk of getting your teeth kicked down your throat”), just makes us Kiwi’s look a bit precious, don’t you think? We do tend to get a bit insufferable when we actually win something, the All-Blacks were utterly gracious in victory, I think we should follow their lead.
Appreciated mate 
. but I don’t really need an apology for that, easy mistake to make.
Looks like he hasn’t learnt from the last time we discussed the Haka. And that was only a few months ago.
That’s it - stop whinging and start a ritual of your own. Nobody will object, really they won’t.
Responding to a haka? Problem solved.
I would ask that the national anthem not be sung before sporting events because ritualistic patriotism is not appropriate at a commercial entertainment event.
…I’m not sure if this video is region locked or not: but Rongotai College was my old school, and here they are performing my old school haka.
As I pointed out up-thread: the haka isn’t just something that the All-Blacks do before every game. It is part of our culture, and a part of our national identity. NZ is a bi-cultural society, and Maori culture is something that we as a nation has worked hard on to preserve. Almost every school has its own haka. The national anthem is sung in both languages. Waiata (or song) punctuate important moments. For example when the gay marriage amendment got passed this happened:
Just wanting to put it in perspective: to explain why NZ'er's sometimes get a bit defensive and passionate about this.As an English rugby fan, I am not keen on the haka and will try to wait for it to end before switching on coverage of the match, or do something else while it is going on. Then again, I generally dislike any and all pre- and post-match rituals (in particular the interviews/celebrations, regardless of whether ‘my’ team won or not). This thread has done a good job in educating me a bit more on what it’s all about, thanks to Banquet Bear in particular. I would not support a move to remove it from the game of rugby. But what I don’t understand is why some people seem to get in a huff about what the opposing team choose to do while it is going on. I appreciate it would be disrespectful for the opposition to make rude gestures or try to drown them out or something (mainly, I guess, because that’s always disrespectful) but I really don’t understand the fuss when Wales chose to simply ignore the spectacle and went into a huddle.
I don’t dislike the Haka, I do dislike that the opposing team is pretty much forced to stand there like spare pricks while the All Blacks do their dance. They should be allowed to go off and do some drills in the corner, but then the all blacks know the haka just looks silly unless the other team are forced to watch so that doesn’t happen.
Yeah, it seems very lopsided. One team gets to do a warrior dance indicating they’ll be cutting their opponents throats, and the other team has to stand there and take it or they’re the ones not showing respect?
ETA: Do the All Blacks only do the haka at home matches, or do they do it at every match? If they only did it at home, it would be a lot less confusing that the other team is expected to just stand there and watch it.
Nothing’s stopping them from performing their own pregame ritual.
And standing there watching it is a sign of respect. Obviously we can’t have that sort of thing in our modern society, where undue sense of outrage is more important than personal respect.
I understand now that you were referring to the Haka as a general Maori cultural ceremony, where I was referring just to the performance by the AB squad, pre-game.
I reiterate that I have nothing against the mixing of Maori culture with AB rugby, far from it. I just think the Haka should be modified to show it has evolved away from a pre-war ritual, without throat slitting, or other Pukana. Direct it to the fans rather than challenge the other team.
I’ll tell you what’s REALLY dangerous and offensive.
Haikus.
Nice to see I am not the only one 
I just like looking at healthy well physically conditioned men:p
Here you goaruvqan.