The Hindi folks, upstairs

The other day, I was unloading stuff from my car. I tend to try to carry everything at once, what with being lazy, and impatient, so I was pretty well dropping the ball, so to speak. From the balcony overlooking the parking lot of our apartment building a young girl was watching. She jumped up, and said out loud, “I can help you!”

In a few seconds, she came out of the door, and was there helping me. She picked up the stuff I dropped, and then held the door, and then took my keys and opened my apartment door. Cheerful, and happy, not to mention beautiful, it was a genuine pleasure to meet such a kind, and polite child. (I was a just short of telling her that she could not go on entering stranger’s apartments without her mother’s knowledge, when her brother arrived, bringing the last of my stuff from the parking lot.)

So, the kids leave, I unpack, and then I decide that I should recognize the kindness of strangers, especially in a kid. So, I look around for something to show my appreciation. I find a recently printed photo of the planet Saturn, which I happen to have. Cool, just the thing. I go upstairs, knock on the door, and when the mom, and kids answer, I explain to mom what lovely children she has. I give the young lady the picture, and suggest that she might take it to school, where her teacher can explain to her about the Cassini Project, and Saturn, and stuff.

So, mom is ecstatic. She invites me in, we talk, she ends up coming down to see my place, and we talk more. She is newly immigrated from India, and her accent is fairly strong, but entirely understandable. (That extreme precision of construction so typical of Hindi speakers, you know?) She says they know no one at all in the area, in fact, almost no one in the entire country. She is effusive in her thanks for the silly picture. She is very lonely.

OK, next day, I talk with my friend at work. My friend is also Indian, speaks Hindi as a native, and is very active in the local Indian culture community, as well as having extensive contacts in India and other American cities. She also brings me pepper from Malabar for free, every year when it is first marketed. We are very good friends. I figure, hey, here is a contact for the lady upstairs. So, I describe the meeting. I ask my work friend who could be a contact for my new friend among the Hindi culture here in the area.

She gives me a look. “Who else?” she says with mock offense in her voice. “You are my brother, so the friends of my brother are my friends!” Wow. I just got a sister. So, I take her phone number, give it to my new friend. She is delighted. Right away, she invites me in again, we talk. The next day, she wants to tell me about her conversation on the phone, and I tell her I have already heard from my work friend all about it. She says, “So, now your sister is my Aunt, and you are my Godfather.”

Wow.

So, is this a culture thing, or have I just hit the two friendliest folks in the world? It was only a picture and a phone call. I haven’t really done anything all that nice.

Tris

You reached out to a stranger on our shores. You helped a neighbor. Of such things nations are built.

Ya done good.

A small nitpick: we’re Hindu. Hindi is the language.

As for what you did, I think it was very nice, and I’d appreciate it.

Sounds like you’ve made new friends, which is always a good thing. Never take good neighbors for granted!

Anaamika - one ignorant question (ignorant as in “I don’t know” not as in “I wish to be rude”) and small hijack: Is it OK to refer to persons of assumed Indian background as being Hindu? The reason I ask is that there’s a family in the neighborhood I would have referred to as Hindu, but I recently found out they are a different religion (Ramadan? Does that sound right?) So I’m not sure of the proper descriptor - Indian? Hindu? Something else entirely?

Ramadan is an Islamic observance, so not Hindu. :smiley:

See? Ignorant. Perhaps they’re not even Indian, but Pakistani. That’s what I get for making guesses, I suppose!

You’re a good guy, Tris.

What a really lovely happy story, Triskadecamus. Dunno if it is mostly an Indian and nearby country thing cos I reckon most folks would be charmed to learn that their new neighbour in a whole new place was a good guy.

Gold stars to all involved. :slight_smile:

Indian - only because there are a lot of Christians & Muslims from India as well. A LOT.

And yes, Ramadan would be Islam.

In Indian culture, we’re taught to respect our elders. For children, this means any adult, so I’m not trying to suggest that Tris is old or anything. We commonly refer to friends and acquaintences of our parents as “uncles” and “aunties”, and basically anyone near the age of our grandparents as “dada” and “dadi” (and other words children use for grandparents). Most Indian kids, upon seeing anyone older struggling with some kind of work, will reflexively run to that person and help them in whatever they’re doing. They will also unabashedly enter a stranger’s home if the situation arises.

This culture does not work well in all environments. Most parents in the US would not be happy with their kids going into strangers’ homes. Tris, you’re obviously a good person. I think that you may want to teach these kids that what they did was very kind and helpful, but that it may not be wise all the time. Clearly, someone with ill intentions could take advantage of the kindness and trusting nature of these kids.

I thought Hindi was the language, and hence the culture associated with the language and Hindu the religion.

See, one of my friends, the one from work speaks Hindi, and is a Sikh. I am fairly ignorant about the exact differences, although I know Sikhs are a minority among Indians as a whole. I really don’t know for sure about the religious affiliation of the new friends, upstairs.

And I am old. Complete with long white beard, and long gray hair. Heck, put a turban on me, and I look like a Sikh.

Yes, I have touched on the trusting nature of the children, and the possibility that that has a potential for unhappy consequences. They seemed quite grave as I discussed it. There is an great sadness that I feel I must temper the ebullient good will of so happy a child as my new friend.

Tris

Hindi is the language. And only the language. If I were to call myself Hindi, I could add, “And I am spoken every day throughout India.”

I am Hindu, but not everyone is. However, everyone from India can be referred to as Hindustani, be it Christian or Muslim. Hindustan is another name for India. However, it’s not a very popular one as it kinds of makes it seem like we all follow one religion, which offends the others.

Better to say “I am a Hindu from India who speaks Hindi”.

Sikh is a religion as well. They speak Punjabi. Most speak Hindi as well, but their primary language is Punjabi.

My home state is Punjab, but I am not Sikh. Are you starting to get an idea of how complicated it can be? :slight_smile:

Tris, Hindi and English are the national languages of India. But not all Indians speak Hindi or English. Those educated in India would most likely speak both. But I grew up in the US, so I only understand Gujarati (the language of the state of Gujarat) and no Hindi whatsoever.

So, an individual, or the religion can be referred to as Hindu. Only the language is Hindi, and the Sihks speak Punjabi. So, are the folks in Gujarat Gujaratis, or Gujaratus? How many other states/languages are there?

Of course here in the US, we got lots of different religions, and subcultures, most imported, and while most of us speak English, some of us speak it abominably. Abominable isn’t really a state.

Well, maybe sort of. :smiley:

Tris

I’m now working at a branch library with a surprising number of Hindi patrons (I assume because of the university, but I don’t really know why there seems to be an ethnic enclave in that particular part of town.) I don’t know if they’re from any specific part of India; the men dont’ wear turbans so I assume they’re not Sikhs, right? They mostly seem to be in this country temporarily - a year or so. There are so many that my work on learning Spanish to be a better librarian seem kind of silly; seems I ought to be learning Hindi instead. Anyway, the women tend to speak less English than the men, and the children often speak almost no English at all, which has presented certain challenges. They get a lot of movies, I assume somewhat for the language practice.

They’re by far the nicest single group of people we get at the library. They watch their kids, don’t let them run wild, they’re perfectly polite even when we have trouble understanding one another, they never bitch about paying their fines. They’re always so grateful for any little bit of help you give them that it’s a little embarassing. It’s got to be something cultural, because there’s no way this many people are just naturally super-nice. If I could trade in all my other patrons for some more Indian ladies I would in a heartbeat! Also they have the world’s cutest children.

So my question is, is it possible to get, say, the Pimsleur Hindi I CD set or whatever and communicate effectively with people from all over India? Are dialects very strong? There are a lot of other native languages spoken in India, right - is Hindi some sort of lingua franca?

Aww, what a truly heartwarming story Triskadecamus ! Your new neighbors are very lucky to have you :slight_smile:

A woman I used to work with who was a Christian from a Southern part of India said that two people from far different parts of India would most likely speak English to each other because the languages and dialects are so diverse.

I bought some rocks and they came wrapped in newspapers with writing that I could not recognize. I am usually pretty good at telling generally what language things are written in, and I did not recognize this at all. I thought it may have been from India. I brought it in and asked a co-worker from India and he was shocked that it was in his mother tongue. He was quite pleased and read a few bits to me. He thought it wildly unlikely that something I would encounter would be in his specific dialect.

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=India - it’s a long list!

Tris-that’s lovely!

When I was in India (Maharashtra province, local language Marati) and working in a clinic attached to an English medium school, all the children would greet me with “Good morning/afternoon/evening Auntie”. 200 kids saying that every time they see you is quite overwhelming. The people in the clinic and school were honestly some of the most friendly, pleasant people I have ever met. The children were SO polite and well-mannered…it was like stepping back in time.

Yes. My downstairs neighbors and I communicate solely in English, even though we are both Indian. She’s South Indian, and speaks Telgu, and I speak Hindi/Punjabi.

Not only Sikhs speak Punjabi.

People from Gujrat are Gujrati. That’s already plural, you needn’t add the s but it doesn’t matter.

And ZSofia, it doesn’t mean they’re not Sikhs. Many of the younger generation now cut their hair. Another way to tell is if they have a steel bracelet on their arm, but even that’s not foolproof as I am wearing one right now!

It goes something like this. The five things a Sikh must always carry on him/her:

*kach * (i think hair, I could be wrong)
*Kada * (steel bracelet)
*kang * (a special type of comb)
And the fourth is a knife, but I forget the Punjabi word. And I forgot the fifth entirely. Anybody who wants to slap me one and remind me is welcome to.