The Hunter Biden Investigation {thread started in 2019}, Hunter Pardoned on December 1, 2024

I think it’s pretty clearly established that he was trading in on the Biden name, which is something most kids from prominent families do. Icky, but common. There’s also a reasonable suspicion that he was implying to business associates that he could influence his father in policy matters in order to secure deals with them, which is a bit more serious, but still in the same ballpark of trading on his name. There has been no evidence that he actually tried to influence his father or that his father was influenced in any way. Just slander and innuendo at this point.

In my opinion, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. The R’s have begun to believe their own propaganda.

Hardly unethical, as I addressed.

If that’s unethical, legions of people in the world have to confess their sins. Nepotism and knowing the right people have always been paths to success.

Ok, now we’re drilling down into the supposedly unethical and illegal stuff.

Except…the repeated “influence” stories I hear relate to the bullshit story about firing the Ukrainian prosecutor. As has been repeated ad nauseum, he was corrupt and everybody agreed he needed to go.

So what else is there? I thought the supposed Chinese “big guy”‘deal was after Joe Biden left office.

Can you just lay out the theory?

I was more focused on the illegal aspect. And these are pretty minor sins, IMHO.

Birther.
Benghazi.
Big Lie.
Biden Crime Family.

I think I’d like to buy a vowel?

Or even a different consonant.

The stories about actual influence peddling DO seem to be all bullshit. Nothing at all has been shown that Hunter actually tried to influence his father or that Joe Biden was influenced. That’s what the propoganda is alleging.

At most they may be able to show that Hunter said he had influence with his father and even possibly that he made it appear as if he could get policy changed if he was so inclined (the getting his father on speaker phone to say hello to his business associates comes to mind).

As far as Hunter is concerned, he may or may not have exceeded the standard “entitled rich kid throwing his dad’s name around” conduct. There been some halfway reliable evidence that he greatly exaggerated his ability to influence his father and in effect influence policy in order to appear more important or to close business deals or whatever. There has been ZERO evidence that he actually tried to influence Joe Biden or that Biden in any way did anything for his sons business concerns.

In what may be a new height of hypocrisy , the NRA is saying that Hunter Biden was undercharged on the gun crimes and should face more charges related to the handgun purchase.

I’m under the impression that Hunter’s charge was an overreach and that the gun charge is seldomly charged as a stand-alone crime, it’s usually only charged if the gun was involved in another crime.

It’s horrible public policy to charge these crimes after someone admits their addiction as part of rehab, because it would serve to dissuade people from entering rehab.

But if the NRA and Republicans are suddenly concerned about the dangers of drug users owning guns, I propose the following. Have the FBI or ATF obtain a list of people with medical marijuana cards in states where it is legal, and recreational purchasers in states that record such transactions. Then run that against a list of registered gun owners and round them all up and charge them all with felonies……marijuana is still federally illegal.

Then sit back and watch conservative heads explode. Hypocrites.

Then I’m afraid you’re going to find …

Butter e-mails

Wholly unsatisfying.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”

Apparently even the one telling the lie in the first place.

That’s not really what they said. They said the Administration was being hypocritical- If Hunter had raised what is a serious Second Amendment challenge to the prohibited person category under which he faced charges, as was floated by his attorneys, it would have caused his dad even more political headaches. The Biden DOJ has adamantly defended the “unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance” firearm prohibition, going so far as having the ATF reiterate in May that those who use marijuana in conformity with state law still cannot possess firearms. Surely the Justice Department would (normally) defend its prerogatives under the prohibition even more strongly in the case of someone who, like Hunter Biden, was abusing crack cocaine while in possession of a firearm.

They think the law in Unconstitutional., which Legal Eagle agrees. But you cant have it both ways.

What about Hunter Biden’s junk? Surely there must be some dirt ( so to speak) there? You’re not telling me they put up pictures of a person’s genitals without his consent for no reason, are you? /s

FWIW, right after they showed Hunter’s dick pics to Congress, “Big Guy’ was trending on Twitter.

Also bad is the possibility of the investigation ending. Then, the likes of Jim Jordan will have to go back to the work that the people of Ohio elected him to do. Making laws and reading boring text and voting on stuff isn’t nearly as sexy and fun as beating the Hunter Biden drum all day long. Also, how do you keep the rubes all riled-up without this “scandal” on Fox News? Having this not bear any fruit is not as bad as not having it kept going - hence the hail Mary to get the plea deal thrown out.

Not after all that naked watersliding.

Yes the Ukraine thing is complete bullshit, and I haven’t heard any other claims of specific actions that J. Biden was supposed take or have taken on his sons behalf. On the other hand I could imagine Hunter making unspecific promises on his fathers behalf along the lines if you hire/start a company with me then if any hassles come up I can ask my dad to help out. Which, again, is unseemly but as common as dirt.

As far as I can see, he’s guilty of playing the “Do you know who my father is?” card, which while sleazy, isn’t illegal. And that’s about it.

…as if they’d ever do any real work of governing.

That would be on the side of Joe Biden.

If Hunter was working to influence his father or anyone in the US government then he should have registered as a foreign agent. Likewise, if he tried to offer cash remuneration then that would fall afoul of bribery/corruption laws. It doesn’t matter if Joe or anyone accepted, just whether the requests were made.

That’s not to say that any such attempts were made, just that those would be crimes (and of the sort being intimated), which do seem plausible, and which are a bit surprising in their absence (especially the lack of a FARA charge).

But, ultimately, Weiss is the champion of Bill Barr. If he’s not charging those crimes then the best bet would be that either, 1) Hunter didn’t do those things, 2) there’s insufficient evidence that Hunter did those things, or 3) Hunter has granted information to the US government that they view as being of sufficient value to trade him down to the tax crimes.