This is the perfect way to describe an interview I saw with Ellen Page, which made me decide I will never ever watch Juno.
People who think no 16-year-olds talk like that, obviously didn’t go to my high school. Of course it’s exaggerated, but jeez, it’s a movie. Could it have been handled more subtly? Sure. Cody dropped the “I’m clever!” anvil a lot, but, hey, she is. She needs to develop more nuance, but it’s a pretty good freshman effort. I enjoyed the movie, although I don’t think I’d go to great pains to see it again.
By the way, is it just me, or is this a liberal/conservative split? When it came out, ISTR that, among my friends and acquaintances, lefties liked it the most and righties were the most likely to be driven into a homicidal rage (like the OP) by the movie. Could be a coincidence, though.
I love this analogy, and am stealing it the next time I get a chance. OTOH…
Ugh. Talk about your terrible dialogue. I thought I was the only one who noticed. That shit drives me up the wall.
You disagreed with him about a movie. In lissener’s world, that’s worse than raping a baby.
As has already been pointed out, when NAF1138 arrived in defense of stylized dialogue, the OP had pretty much come right out and said “stylized dialogue is the worst thing ever and it makes me want to hurt people”. I don’t know what more evidence of universal-law type thinking you need.
Hostile Dialect,
Hostile Dialect, Narcissist
Man, second page of this thread and NOBODY has mentioned that on top of what was mentioned, it also had a soundtrack by The Moldy Peaches, the most painful band I’ve ever had the unfortunate experience of hearing?
That hasn’t been my impression, at least on this board. Actually, while I haven’t looked, I wouldn’t be surprised if you found some fans amongst certain conservative Christian circles. Given the pro-adoption message and all.
If you liked Star Wars (and who didn’t?) then your whole argument has been debunked.
Are you serious? The dude quoted scripture that doesn’t actually exist, in a powerful and righteous firebrand style, before whacking people execution-style.
The whole “dead nigger storage” bit was realistic to you? Come on.
Bottom line: Pulp Fiction, Mamet’s stuff, etc., comes off as stylized but entertaining; it works.
The dialog in Juno comes off as fake and annoying; it doesn’t work.
There is no universal rule to be extrapolated from this, beyond “Sometimes, some things work, and some things don’t.”
Uh, it’s not an argument, it’s an opinion; it can’t be “debunked.”
This is inappropriate for this forum, Hostile Dialect. Cafe Society is meant for discussion about the topic, not what you think of the other posters. Please don’t do this again.
I liked it the first time I saw it. I really hate it now.
As to Juno, I rather liked it. I laughed at most of the things the makers wanted me to laugh at. That makes it better than average.
Duly noted.
Hostile Dialect,
Hostile Dialect, Narcissist
Juno bugged me because it thought it was about 25 times more clever than it was. I don’t care it the dialogue is stylized or self-consciously clever if it’s successful, and to me, it wasn’t. I also loathed the soundtrack. Ellen Paige was very good, I’m a big J. K. Simmons fan and unlike everyone else on this board, I still do like Michael Cera. So I was very surprised Juno fell so far short of what I expected.
Are people here really turning on him? <pats self on back> I’m such a trendsetter.
I’m hardly keeping score or anything, but yeah, seems like a bunch of people have said lately that he only plays that once character over and over again and it’s boring.
He’s probably overexposed but I don’t think that’s a sensible objection. Most comedians have one character and he’s no more limited than a lot of others.
I’ve been saying that for a long time. I loved him on Arrested Development. Then I saw him in a few other things and realized he’s barely even acting. He’s pretty much really just that much of a doofus. I don’t like other comedic actors who play the same character all the time, either, such as Will Farrell and Adam Sandler (when he’s being Adam Sandler™.)
Actors like Farrell or Sandler are hit and miss with me (when they’re playing Farrell™ and Sandler™) but I think their “hit” moments stem from them doing more active comedy. Both of them are the centerpiece of their scenes. Cera’s comedic voice is much more passive and relies on him playing off of other people so, after four or five versions of the same thing, he starts coming across as just that dorky guy who’s always hanging around instead of asserting himself as the funny guy.
I don’t know if I explained that the best that I can but I only took one semester of film studies in high school 
I liked the movie. Yeah, the dialogue was a little too clever for realism, but guess what? Dialogue in the real world is boring! If movie dialogue were like real life, who the hell would ever go?
The last conversation I heard with teens (between guys 4 and 5 years older than Juno):
“Hey, you guys wanna play Guitar Hero?”
“…uh, yeah, okay.” Starts game.
Misses a note. “Faggot!”
Misses another note “Fag! Fagging Faggot!”
Fails out of set “Fucking faggot, man! Cocksucking faggot jackoff! Get me a beer, okay?”
“Yeah, okay. You suck at that, you faggot.”
“Shut up, dick head.”
If that’s the movie you want to see, fine. I’ll stick with Juno, thank you.
When did you go to high school? We kind of talked like that.
Overly self-conscious and trying too hard to be funny? That sounds exactly like a teenager, actually.
I liked the movie. I didn’t think it was the best movie of the year or anything, but it was entertaining to watch once. I think Juno suffered from Hollywood Hype Syndrome. Not a lot of movies can support that kind of hype.
I don’t begrudge it the stylized language - not every movie has to be gritty realism. It’s called art. But it was so self-consciously clever without much of a point beyond its own “cleverness.” You’re going to be stylized like that, have your characters talk like that, you should back it up with some depth. Otherwise you come off as shallow and self-congratulatory, which is how the movie felt to me.
On reread of the thread - this is what everyone has said so /agree.