I’m pretty shocked that the Hispanic favorable number is still so high, considering they might arrest you just for looking Hispanic.
The number for Black is much lower, even though I don’t think ICE is hassling Blacks (that’s the job of the local police, after all). I think they’re just more aware (woke to, if you will) of these kinds of horrific rights violations, given they experience it all the time from the locals.
The Black population in the US has a greater distrust of law enforcement given the long multi-generational persecution of that demographic. So I think they view all law enforcement institutions less favorably than any demographic before any other specific issues are accounted for.
There are also a number of documented Hispanic folks who have settled in the US and are well-established who resent seeing the undocumented entry of other Hispanics. Remember that Trump was quite open about wanting to ramp up immigration enforcement, and made extremely disparaging and slanderous remarks about immigrant communities, yet nearly won the Latino vote last year.
Axios: Trump came close to winning Latino vote in '24 — Pew analysis
That support has been slipping quite a bit of late, though.
And that poll was back in November, before things got a lot worse.
My point is that the numbers might be so high because they started pretty high to begin with, and even though they’ve been decreasing a lot, they still have some ways to go. I wouldn’t be surprised if polls get extremely low later this year among that group.
Also, there’s a fair number of people who are just cowards unwilling to actually take a stand no matter what. Who no matter how obviously evil or wrong or stupid something is will hem and haw and do anything other than actually take a stand on the issue, trying to please everyone while actually pleasing no one.
It’s just unfortunate that so many of those people are also Democratic leaders.
Point of clarification, please: in the chart, what is the demographic “AAPI”?
Asaian-American or Pacific Islander.
Thank you.
Stand by for Republican rants about magic bullets.
Yeah, I know. I live around some of them here at The Home.
I don’t know where to put this, there are so many different threads that could probably go in, … Or maybe it deserves its own thread …but I’m just going to put it here because it’s stemmed from the ice shooting.
CNN is reporting that the department of Justice is now investigating the governor and mayor of Minneapolis. For obstruction of federal law enforcement.
I wonder how well that’ll go.
I remember reading back in the 1980s that 2% of the American population didn’t know who the POTUS was. Maybe the pollsters included people with severe mental disabilities, but if they didn’t, anyway, that really blew my mind.
The only person not being investigated for the shooting of Renee Good is the federal agent who shot her.
–Minnesota Governor, Tim Walz
Someone has GOT to know where this guy is.
In Willmar, MN, some ICE agents had a late lunch at a local Mexican restaurant, and then came back a few hours later and arrested some of the employees.
Remember rule #1 of Trump investigations. The investigation is the end goal. It doesn’t have to have any merit, it doesn’t have to result in any charges. An investigation on its own causes a lot of problems for the target, and it’s a way for Trump to legally attack people he doesn’t like on the taxpayer’s dime.
Sorry, but that’s not correct.
However, it’s not far off.
In the U.S., generally speaking (i.e. in the absence of some waiver or restriction of rights, as when somebody is on probation or enters some restricted area), when you are outside your home the police need reasonable articulable suspicion to detain you and investigate your activities. RAS means that the police office must be able to state, beyond a mere hunch, a factual basis to believe that you have committed, or are about to commit, a crime.
The seminal case on this is Terry v Ohio, in which a cop saw some guys casing a store, and based on their movements he stopped to investigate. This legal authority is now referred to as a Terry stop.
In a Terry stop, a cop can detain their suspect, who is not free to leave. During that time, for their safety, the officer can frisk the suspect for weapons. And they can ascertain the identity of their suspect.
If the officer discovers evidence of a crime during this investigation, for which they have probable cause, then they can make an arrest.
But they can definitely detain, search, and invade the freedom of an American citizen well before developing probable cause.
(The controversy here, of course, is that ICE is claiming nothing more than racial profiling as reasonable suspicion of having committed a crime - being an unlawful resident - which is outrageous)
The controversy here, of course, is that ICE is not the police.
Word.
But they can make arrests, if only of crimes within their jurisdiction. Those are federal crimes - the states can’t be compelled to enforce them - but, similarly, I’m pretty sure that the states are limited in their ability to stop them from doing immigration and customs enforcement.
But that leaves an important issue unresolved: where can ICE go, and who can they encounter, in their attempts to do that “job”? If they were confined to points of entry (say, International airports, border crossings, and ports), I doubt there’d be controversy. But now they are roving the streets.
In theory, law enforcement is legally allowed to initiate a “voluntary encounter” with any person, based on nothing more than a desire to do so. The person is free to walk away (in theory), and doesn’t have to show ID. But they can choose to cooperate with the officer.
I’ve been wondering if these ICE people have been knocking on doors in immigrant neighborhoods based on the legal pretext that these were just “knock and talk” encounters, and use the excuse of voluntariness to claim that people were just letting them search their homes and interview their relatives (noting, of course, that law enforcement routinely uses intimidation and coercion to get suspects to “agree” to participate in their investigation)
It’s that blanketing of vulnerable neighborhoods (and the fear and intimidation it caused) that brought out protesters, and led to the Renee Good homicide.
I’m sure you are familiar with “Kavanaugh stops” which allows ICE to stop, question and briefly detain people for looking kind of like an immigrant. That can be based on ethnicity, the language they speak, if they are in a location known to be frequented by day laborers, or if they are doing a stereotypical immigrant job like landscaping or agriculture. Kavanaugh’s clarification that ethnicity can’t be the only factor, only a “relevant factor,” does little to make this any less disgusting.
So yeah, you don’t need to carry ID unless you are out gardening or shopping at Home Depot or some foreign thing like that.
Yes, and it’s horrible.
Lawyers have been fighting for years against efforts to utilize broad racist stereotypes as a basis to stop people (I.e. it should not be considered reasonable suspicion of a drug deal to see white person and a black person riding in the same car in a sketchy neighborhood), and then Kavanaugh undermines morality, decency, and ethics with the stroke of a pen.
“Papers NOW!”
“Here”
-rip rip rip "No papers - take him away.
Fucking Gestapo
