My giving a fuck will be in the opposite direction, if you catch my drift.
Once again, it surprises me that there is as much disbelief in what’s going on. Oh, NOT that horrific murders (a term I’m perfectly willing to use) are being sanewashed - but that people are accepting the government’s take on all this.
I’m sure most if not all of us are aware of the propaganda bubble the right has now been living in for over a decade, since early in the Obama era at a minimum, but this is where we’re at. On this issue (they may have other wedges, like Epstein, or who knows what else) they are likely to never question the “official” BS, independently check for facts, or otherwise verify the insane things Fox/Twitter/Truth Social is telling them every day. And they have and will continue to cut out of their lives anyone who tries to tell them otherwise.
These people are gone. Well, the ones that weren’t already pro-fascist to begin with, and they’ll cheer until the day the leopards eat their faces or those of their loved ones, without ever second guessing themselves or their own moral smugness.
Of course, I firmly believe all of you are actually aware of this, but we just don’t want to believe people of our generation, or those that lives through McCarthy and the Civil Rights, are that evil, that uncaring, or that smug.
I’ve… given up on that - there are people who I love despite it, but I no longer respect most of them.
But we’re in the here-and-now, and frankly, I don’t see a way out that doesn’t involve a direct conflict with the Federal Government as it’s currently being run and how far it’s gone in replacing anyone internally to check it.
NOT that I’m advising illegal activity, which, I’ll remind all is against board rules (Just a helpful reminder considering some of the language), but I do think it’s time for the Blue states to assert their legal rights under the constitution and force Trump et al to declare the Constitution and rule of law dead - at which point, what is illegal?
(aside I know Trump has already repeatedly said that he doesn’t consider the Constitution binding on him, but I want him to own the dissolution of the Republic openly)
I honestly don’t anymore. I’m completely lost.
Well said.
The federal government as defined by the Constitution has collapsed:
- The regime has rejected the rule of law and is waging war against the People. Its leader is literally insane.
- Congress has abdicated its powers and is no longer a functioning branch of government.
- The Supreme Court is corrupt and illegitimate.
I’d say, “We need a revolution,” but we are not talking about a federal government that retains anything but a modicum of control, and it has also failed to establish authoritarian control; therefore, we are in a revolutionary state by default.
It may very well be the case that the military strongly implied or outright told Trump or his advisors that it would not move forward with any invasion of Greenland, etc.; that seems to me to be most likely reason that he backed down at Davos.
I would not be surprised if the military simply steps in and deposes him in the near future. Or it could sit back as the federal government transitions from approaching implosion to complete disintegration. This kind of thing can happen very, very quickly: viz Bastille 1789, Berlin Wall 1989.
And they did, today an ICU nurse.
Are we gonna talk about that here, or is there a separate thread.
There are a couple of ongoing ICE threads where this is being discussed.
The media has shown itself over the past decade of being constitutionally incapable of handling the fact that Donald Trump and his cronies are just plain acting in bad faith. They’re so wedded to the ideas that If The Government Says It It Must Be True and that Republicans And Democrats Have Eaually Valid Opinions that they’ve made themselves into stenographers for the regime and will try to both-sides everything even when there’s undeniable video evidence that the government is lying.
I believe it’s time for states that still value democracy and the rule of law to start seriously considering secession.
Is there new information that we haven’t covered upthread? I’m always willing to get more details (if they are still up and not taken down!).
Otherwise, is not the killing that the thread was started for, or the second, and unbearably, not likely to be the last. Right now we’ve seen the reports, the video, and the first set of laughably non-factual Federal counters.
So we’re back to considering the Political ramifications of the likely scenario where these killings and other illegal actions continue to be ignored or even celebrated by the current Federal Government.
Of course, I do wish to be proven wrong, and/or other news about local authorities further attempting to hold these people accountable.
Yes, it’s cultural inertia in a very specific domain during a time when both politics (or rather, the existence of a fascist insurgency in GOP drag led by a once-in-a-century demagogue) and media (internet, social media, the rise of cell phone video, the rise of fascist media, etc. etc.) were undergoing great change, and instead of rising to the occasion, were completely played by the fascists.
“Secession” says that you want to do something different than what the rest of the country is doing, but I don’t think that’s the situation here. I think it would be more effective to say that, since the federal government was no longer following the constitution or respecting the rule of law, it was de facto illegitimate and dissolved. California, for example, doesn’t want to separate with other blue states from the red states; it wants the US to actually do what it has agreed to do in the constitution.
(And, personally, I think the idea of a “national divorce” or some such thing, while never a good idea in the first place, is no longer feasible in the current situation, as a fascist red state union would wage war against its own minorities and never leave the blue states alone anyway. The nazis simply have to be defeated and demoralized at this point.)
Also, loathe as I am to bring intersectionality into it, Good and Pretti were a white woman and white man, respectively. Technically, those ought to be the most-privileged categories of people in society. They weren’t Somali. They weren’t Hispanic. They weren’t immigrants. They were born-in-America citizens. So if those two could be shot in broad daylight, in front of multiple witnesses, fully caught on video, by ICE, and ICE faces no repercussions, no category of people is safe. Short of shooting a famous celebrity, you couldn’t go higher up on the privilege ladder than Good and Pretti.
Well, except for maybe ICE supporters.
But, factually, disagreeing with the, let’s call it, the ruling culture strips that privilege away.
See: The suppression of unions in the early part of the last century, the Bonus War, Schwerner Goodman and Chaney, Kent State, etc., etc., etc.
The murders will continue until morale improves.
Here’s the thing: these guys are clowns and are not competently and rationally handling these situations. It’s not as though they targeted white people on purpose.
One difference between the actual Gestapo and ICE is that the Gestapo was not involved in random street brawls! I’ve said it in another thread, but Hitler, once he took power, did not attack entire German cities or seek to “pwn the Libs” with military force. He gained and maintained authoritarian control in Germany very quickly. Evilly, yes, but competently.
Trump and his regime are idiots. The don’t care about the power of propaganda; they don’t even think about it. The ICE stochastic terrorism doesn’t actually serve the interests of the regime and will prove to be a key reason for its downfall in the near future.
Right now it’s looking like the country’s downfall.
All this means is none of us is safe from their irrational brutality.
I live in a “don’t tread on me” part of the US. The local comments are “these radicals were trying to tread on the feds and got what they had coming!” They don’t care what the videos show, they know that the people getting shot are the bad guys. If you have done nothing wrong, don’t resist. Of course, we now know that doesn’t matter…the gestapo will still shoot you dead.
These are sad days.
The USA is already done. The question now is what replaces it.
Correct!
Trump and his cronies are terminally online and cannot distinguish between social media and the real world. Everything is content to them. Getting likes and retweets is an end in and of itself. Politics isn’t about public service, it’s a game where whoever has the most Twitter followers wins.
At a fundamental level, they don’t get that most people don’t live on 4chan like they do.
Right. And they don’t get that, in order for them to fuck around on the top layer, the actual foundation needs to be maintained.
Right. I’ve heard it said that MAGA is less a political movement and more of a lifestyle brand. The politicians are influencers. ICE is ultimately fascist and murderous performance art.