Quoting from this thread which is up to 7 pages now. The emphasized portions are courtesy of yours truly and impetus for this thread. These words carry a lot of weight with some and could use their own thread.
Well, iiandyiiii, I do not really care if your reading has me estimated as a white supremacist, one of the enablers, or one of the others who could follow your advice. (Hell, maybe you even have me on Ignore.) By all means though, feel free to name away and state your case.
I don’t get what he means by white supremism
They’re a cover band. Girl group.
It’s like regular whiteness, but with guacamole and sour cream.
These Huey threads are so deeply interesting that I’ve managed to completely wean myself off amb
Don’t have much to say except that the quote from Eyes on the Andes in the OP pretty neatly encapsulates why I think that thread is mostly bullshit.
1 1/2 c (180 grams) powdered sugar
1/3 c (35 grams) unsweetened cocoa powder
pinch salt
1-2 large egg whites at room temperature
1 tsp vanilla extract
1/2 c (90 grams) semi-sweet chocolate chips
Preheat oven to 180 degrees C (355 degrees F). In a large bowl, whisk together sugar, cocoa, and salt. Add vanilla extract and egg white and whisk until you obtain a thick but moist batter. Add second egg white if needed to keep a loose batter. Fold in the chocolate chips. Scoop batter onto the parchment-lined baking sheet with enough space between each to spread. Bake in 180 degree C (355 F) oven until tops are glossy and they begin to crack, 12-14 min. Let cool completely before removing from parchment.
Seriously bomb.
Ooooooooh! I love mac N cheese!
I see no trolling here. Like it or not, iiandyiiii is defending a racist, ableist shitstain of a human being. He’s pulling out the tricks that I call others out on.
Notice how he didn’t provide a counterargument to anything anyone said. He just implied an ulterior motive. It can’t be that we are actually upset at him for the vile things he has said. It must be white supremacy. Sure, he says “some” to give plausible deniability, but he doesn’t name a single white supremacist argument. That’s not actually different than those who try to argue, for instance, that we’re all really for open borders or want to take away their guns.
Now I’m giving him a bit of slack due to my personal history with him, and knowing he’s a decent guy. I’ve invited him to point out the actual white supremacy, and to argue against people, while also condemning the vile stuff that Huey Freedman has said.
I hope he does it. I’ve already lost a lot of respect for him over how much he’s bent over backwards for that asshole in the past. Still, most other Dopers who were willing to give him a chance have clued in to who Huey Freedman really is. Even an angry black man can be a vile human being who is only here to try to hurt those who aren’t like him.
You’re allowed to care about multiple things in the world, even if one thing is less important than another thing. Stunningly bigoted posts by a self-identified black person may not be as harmful as institutional prejudice or white supremacism, but it’s worth pitting nonetheless.
This was posted in the other thread:
I figured this would be well mentioned in this thread started by Covfefe, who probably won’t be coming back here either.
For the record, I am not at all a fan of that other Pit thread.
I’m not copying here iiandyiiii’s empty moral grandstanding or lazy abdication of intellectual responsibility, where he’s “not sure” about some of the posts. Sheer laziness and stupidity. Many of the posts are completely awful. They are self-evidently awful. You have to be willfully obtuse to pretend to ignore that, and it’s another layer of inanity to cover that obtuseness in a veneer of moral righteousness. It is pathetically shallow behavior.
But I still don’t like that Pit thread at all.
I don’t like the animus in that thread not because Huey doesn’t deserve the more intelligent criticisms he’s receiving (it’s indisputable that he does) but because the very fact that he deserves the better criticisms opens up some sinister racial undertones to the lower-quality criticisms that I do not like at all. The attitude I’m picking up, whether fair or not, is: “HERE’s a black guy who FINALLY deserves what’s coming to him! It’s OPEN SEASON on this one!” And so all of the rhetorical guns come out. It feels like all the previous times when people had to bite back their tongue when they didn’t want to be challenged by a black guy built up a lot of pressure, and now that there’s a “deserving” target, that entire reservoir of animus can come out at once. I do not like it. Fair or not, that’s the attitude I think I’m picking up, and I do not like it.
Now, it’s a legitimate response to say, “Anybody who posted such appallingly malicious shit deserves to be pitted, and in fact would be pitted on this board.” I don’t disagree. The pitting is well deserved, and if it were anyone else being such a gigantic jerk, exactly the same thing would’ve happened. That’s not my criticism. My point is simply that there is a horrific racial history in this society, and that history changes the context of interpretation for every possible conversation. Including a Pit thread. The extended length of that thread, and its repeated beating of a dead horse, leaves itself open to more interpretations than the similar tedious length and bruised horse corpse habits of other similar threads, which would not suffer the deeper questions about motives. We interpret things in context. That’s just a fact. Fair? No. But who cares? The racial history of this country wasn’t very fuckin fair either, was it?
“But my motives are pure!” Fine. Sure. I’m not going to argue with you. There are plenty of posters who are making nuanced, intelligent criticisms, including especially Riemann (whose posts are pretty much always nuanced and intelligent). I’m not trying to read minds here, and say that the specific motives of specific posters are impure. I’m saying that it feels like, to me, that the social context of this thread matters. “We always beat dead horses like this!” Yes. True. But beating a dead horse so long in this context looks much worse than in other contexts. It raises darker questions in this context that it wouldn’t in other contexts.
I think it was absolutely, totally worth starting that Pit thread to highlight the worst behavior, so that people who didn’t know what a useless jerk Huey was could finally see that. But also I think the best thing to do now is to let it go. Just let it go. This particular dead horse doesn’t need the usual beating that most similar horses receive. Even if it quite thoroughly “deserves” it. Especially if it deserves it. The case has been made. It is not in dispute. (Or at least, it’s not in dispute to anyone who hasn’t deliberately shut their brain off.)
The pitting was fully justified. But continuing it? I really don’t think so.
Looks to me like the context of other extended Pittings, in that the “dead horse” keeps galloping back into the thread to drop more foul-smelling turds, while enablers of the Pittee neigh and whinny for attention.
That’s spineless as well. Equality will never be achieved if people insist on treating special pet classes as fragile and weak. If you want so-called equality start treating people as real equals.
Well see Andy thinks that White Supremacism is the greatest threat to America today, which I think it obviously isn’t, there is a lot more important things going on in the world today, it’s not even on the radar. I’m not saying it isn’t at all important, I just think there’s a lot more important problems going on right now. I mean a lot of people when they bring up racism, they also bring up jobs, the economy, healthcare, income inequality, police brutality which I honestly don’t think they give a shit who they are killing, there have been plenty of straight up unjustified killings done to all people with the rise of these militarized police departments.
I think fixing those things and some others being addressed would correct or improve the racism stuff which just may need minor tweaking and occasional conflicts after that point. I’ve also met more than a few black workers who have told me stuff to the effect of the Dems caring more about the welfare of illegals than that of their own citizens, I can see why they would feel that way.
So any issue Andy examines is through the lens of omg white supremacy, everything else is secondary to him. I’ll say he can many times be a great debater and inform me of things I haven’t thought about before, I don’t personally care for him but for the most part he is a good, if at times disingenuous debater. And when he slips up sometimes and posts stuff that is nonsense or hypocritical, his standard tactic is to say ok it doesn’t really matter, or I don’t want to engage any further on this topic, and everyone be keeps missing my special enigmatic point so I’m wasting my time talking to you.
Also pool:
Nope. White supremacists aren’t a problem in America at all.
Hey I was just applying Huey’s same standard of glossing over a couple scientific studies without reading them and then drawing an unfounded conclusion. I didn’t perform any of the studies, and specifically stated that I wasn’t inferring any special importance to them regarding racial superiority and it doesn’t make me think I’m superior in any way, trust me I think most if not all people are equally stupid in their own way, if facts bother you then call out the scientists, not me, either way I don’t really give a fuck.
It’s nice that you cut out the rest of the post where I stated all that stuff would you care to post the entire post, or would that make you look stupid?
There you go I thoughtfully did it for you, it was an attempt to mock good Ol’ Huey, whether you believe me or not, I don’t give a fuck.
No, I read your original just fine. If you were a little less complacent in your own white privilege (my main impression of you is your blithe dismissals of concerns about school resegregation), your satire might be a little sharper. As it is, it kinda comes across like a very slightly exaggerated version of the shit you say normally. Believe me or not, I don’t give a fuck.
Uh oh, looks like some white people need some safe spaces.
iiandyiiii is okay. He wants the world to be a better place than it is. You just have to remember that, to him, everything is about racism. Everything. If you keep that in mind, his posts just fade into background noise.