It can also come back to the old theme in America that we smoke-screen issues with Race, so we can continue to claim that we are blind to Class.
This is a big issue with Black Americans, because on one side, no matter how much they struggle to become educated and get their hands on the levers of power, and live peaceful, dignified middle-class lives, from one side there will always be whites who see them as nothing but jumped-up baboons; and Blacks who see them as sell outs.
I disagree. While there are arguments over who’s considered Hispanic (Are Spaniards Hispanic? Are Brazilians? Are Belizeans?) I don’t think that most people feel the issue is over native ancestry. A Mexican of purely European ancestry is going to be considered Hispanic.
Straight Dope point of order: Kennedy would have won the election even if Illinois had gone to Nixon. The claim that the Chicago Machine (or the Daily Machine) stole the election for Kennedy has no basis in fact.
Kennedy’s 303 votes beat Nixon’s 219 votes. Moving the 27 Illinois votes to Nixon only changed Kennedy’s win to 276 vs 246. Even giving Byrd’s 15 votes to Nixon leaves Nixon with a 261 vote loss.
This statement is false. Though they made it illegal by 1772 to their credit compared to the US. However Englishmen remained a significant of the slave trade to the Americas after this.
That Jews come in a variety of ethnic divisions? Sure, but extraordinarily few Europeans were aware of the Falasha or Kaifeng Jews in the 1930s or 1940s. (There may have been a tiny number of Cochin Jews in the UK at that time, but I suspect that they were hardly known to be present by the vast majority of people.) In a thread discussing acceptance of minorities, a casual reference to general attitudes in Europe and North America can be forgiven for not making note of groups of whom Europeans and North Americans were rarely aware.
Similarly, if you are challenging the statements regarding ethnic Irish in North America and Australia, I would suggest that while you are correct that it is 2015, the references made were in regard to the periods 1790 - mid 20th century, (Australia) and 1840 - mid-twentieth century (North America).
I’m not sure that anyone claims to be a Mexican of purely European ancestry, or that that claim is possible. I think that’s what makes one Mestizo, and Hispanic, including Belizeans.
AKAIK Spanish and Portugese are Europeans, though, and not Hispanic. Jerry Garcia is European and not Hispanic.
Jews were certainly pictured as racially distinct in ways that seem peripherally related to skin tone by anti semitic European artists cartoonists etc.
There are most certainly Mexicans who ascribe to be, or are described as, of “pure” European ancestry. Millions of them, 10% or more of the Mexican population. (Guillermo del Toro is a well-known example.)
“Mestizo” does indicate dual heritage, European and indigenous, and includes the majority of Mexicans. (Also there are people of “pure” indigenous descent, such as Maya and Nahua.)
“Mestizo” does not mean the same thing as “Hispanic,” which includes everyone of any portion of Spanish ancestry, Old World or New, “mixed” or not.
Jerry Garcia was not Mexican, but assuredly Hispanic.
I guess there is debate about it. But Garcia was old world European, and not from any country colonized by Spain unless you count the US.
The term Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico Galician: hispánico, Basque: hispaniar, Catalan: hispà)[1][2] broadly refers to the peoples, nations, and cultures that have a historical link to Spain. It commonly applies to countries once colonized by Spain, particularly the countries of Latin America. It could be argued that the term should apply to all Spanish-speaking cultures or countries, as the historical roots of the word specifically pertain to the Iberian region.
The Hispanic history thing is post facto. AFAIK Garcia used to be a little chagrined to be taken for mestizo when he was a plain old white guy.
Yes, I was responding to the line “Jews…are perfectly white”. You are right that, in context, this is a forgivable oversimplification, but it happened to touch a particular button of mine. Could have been fixed by just adding a qualifier, like “almost all European and American Jews…”. On the off chance that Aspidistra or anyone else might have thought that statement was actually literally true, I provided a link to an informative website. Again, not trying to hijack. Carry on.
Wait, are/were Irish people generally ruddy colored at all? When I think of a country of origin where the people would most likely be pasty-white colored, Ireland would be near the top of the list. Is that inaccurate?
On this board, I’ve seen people say with a straight face that Charlie Sheen isn’t white because his father is half Spanish. Like, not even Latino, but from the European country of Spain. As laughable that is to me, its hardly a rare viewpoint in my experience. Given the frequency in which I’ve encountered opinions like this, I find it hard to believe you’ve never met anyone say “white” Latinos aren’t white.
Do you consider Salma Hayek white? Because her marriage is considered interracial according to this article.
Bolding your statements does not dispense with the need for a citation, you know. In 1772 English courts recognized that it had never been legal. They did not “make it illegal.” Of course, serfdom and villeiny were arguably not dissimilar from chattel slavery.
That’s right. This is the most common application, IME, and the most sensible and useful one, IMO, there being other terms for the other ways one might want to slice.
I don’t think the term was really known in American English in the early years of Garcia’s career; the US census didn’t even acknowledge it until 1970. Thus the confusion between mestizo and Hispanic heritage was even more pervasive.
I certainly recall people explaining Garcia’s heritage correctly, with the use of the term, by the time of the Dylan tour.
Do ruddiness and pastiness not kinda go hand in hand? You appear red after being in the sun or after exertion because your baseline colour is lighter? Maybe I am wide of the mark but they don’t seem at odds. Nowadays anyway lots of Irish people are what I would describe as ruddy but (“native”) Irish people run the gamut from alabaster to quite sallow, almost Iberian looking.
